Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2012,06:20)

Hi Charles,
John was blessed in the Spirit while in the womb.

The Spirit of God is designed as a temple for the living God.[1cor 2.12, 1cor 3.17, 2cor 4.7]

Why should you make assumptions about Mary? She was chosen by God and that is enough. No anointing spoken of in scripture-do you think she is the MOTHER OF GOD?

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John was blessed in the Spirit while in the womb

Nick,

JOHN WAS BLESSED IN THE WOMB BY HIS CREATOR IN MARY'S WOMB.

HOW CAN YOU BE SO BLIND

you are considering the blessing of John, and ignoring all the blessings, titles and the FRUIT OF MARY'S WOMB ,that the angel himself called THE SON OF GOD, THEREFORE GOD IN FLESH.

Mary’s dignity is inferior only to that of God and superior to all that is not God, Since the Father conceived His Son in Her womb!! THE CITY OF GOD SPECIALLY CREATED UNIQUE FOR HIM.

She was the mother of both EXTREEMS GOD and MAN

All creation is subject to Mary, since the Son of God also was subject to Her. She gave Him life, She nourished Him through Her breast.She took care of Him till He grew up.

So since the above was accredited to Her ,you believe that she was an ordinary woman??

And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the SALUTATION OF MARY, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

SIMPLY THROUGH HEARING HER VOICE

42And she spake out with a LOUD VOICE, and said, BLESSED art thou among women, and BLESSED is the fruit of thy womb. 43And whence is this to me, that THE MOTHER OF THE LORD should come to me? 44For, lo, as soon as the VOICE OF YOUR SALUTATION sounded in mine ears, the babe LEAPED in my womb for joy.

AGAIN ONLY MARY'S VOICE MADE JOHN TO LEAP IN HIS MOTHER'S WOMB

45And BLESSED is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were TOLD OF HER FROM THE LORD.

You asked me a question regarding who was Mary:

What is the meaning of this???

43And whence is this to me, that THE MOTHER OF THE LORD should come to me?

What does it mean: THE MOTHER OF THE LORD

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

May 5, 2012 at 9:39 pm#296653

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Hi Charles,
Catholicism put itself in a corner as you have and had to declare that Mary is the Mother of God.
They then proceeded to make her a perfect female demigod alike perhaps to astarte.

Turn back from their idolatry.

May 6, 2012 at 4:26 pm#296725

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Quote (Ed J @ May 04 2012,10:11)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2012,10:03)

Hi Charles,
The Spirit of God does not live in natural men.

Hi Nick, yes, God needs a clean receptacle to (tabernacle) dwell in.
“Turn you (meaning “REPENT”) at my reproof: (and) behold,
I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known
my words unto you.” (Proverbs 1:23)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Hi Nick, yes, God needs a clean receptacle to (tabernacle) dwell in.

Edj,

With reference to my previous post.

Now:

Isaiah 30:19For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem:

Notice ZION AT JERUSALEM NOT VICE VERSA,

THEREFORE THE SOUL IN THE BODY

Zecharaiah1:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem.

The above is a clear reference that Jesus will return and WILL ABIDE within THE BODY OF MAN (JERUSALEM) HIS HOUSE shall be built in it, obvious THE SOUL, and THE LINE are the CHRISTIAN PEOPLE. The word RETURN indicates that He was in the Body of Adam when he was created but since he sinned, Satan took hold of the soul and died spiritually.

LUKE 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

This is a reference to the OT when God was useless in His effort to convert (Lucifer as a human in Adam, therefore the Jews) They were controlled, and manipulated by Satan’s spirit in their souls. The words : AND YOU WOULD NOT!! It shows how God never imposes on us, but He respects our free will and PATIENTLY through that same will he leads us to perfection.
35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Now above is a reference to the Jews, but regarding their souls AS YOUR HOUSE since it is only through the soul that God would abide in. But since the Jews ignored completely God, He confirmed that He abandoned them, and only through His death, that they would eventually become His by eliminating SATAN’S SPIRIT and replace him by the HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN THEIR SOULS no matter what, and still remain free.
John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the HOUSE for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be FREE INDEED
THEREFORE THE HOUSE OF MAN WHERE GOD ABIDES IS THE SOUL!!

Zecharaiah 8:1 Again the word of the LORD of hosts came to me, saying, 2Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury. 3Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.

Again the above is a reference to the soul which is locked in the human body and dead through Satan's spirit in it.
God after created the SOUL purposely for HIM to MAKE IT POSSIBLE to abide within through the Holy Spirit in order to lead her to perfection, it was in the hand of HIS enemy, SATAN, obvious that HE would be Jealous.

This is quite interesting:

2 Samuel:6 And the king and his men went to Jerusalem unto the Jebusites, the inhabitants of the land: which spake unto David, saying, Except thou take away the blind and the lame, thou shalt not come in hither: thinking, David cannot come in hither. 7Nevertheless David took the strong hold of Zion: the same is the city of David. 8And David said on that day, Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind, that are hated of David's soul, he shall be chief and captain. Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house. 9\So David dwelt in the fort, and called it the city of David. And David built round about from Millo and inward. 10 And David went on, and grew great, and the LORD God of hosts was with him.

Reading 6, we would be aware that David, THE LORD, went to Jerusalem, BECAME HUMAN to overthrow, the inhabitants DEMONS of the land THE WORLD

These inhabitants DEMONS were defying David THE LORD that He would never POSSESS Zion THE SOUL. They also insinuated that not unless you take away the blind and the lame LUCIFER SYMBOLICALLY who is stubbornly blind and unstable in his belief regarding who is GOD

This is demonstrated in Kings hereunder:

Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

Now reading 7 Nevertheless ENTIRELY THE LORD TOOK THE STRONG HOLD OF THE SOUL,THE SAME IS THE CITY (THE CHURCH)OF THE LORD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

8 And The LORD said : whosoever use the gutter JESUS ENTERED THE WORLD THROUGH MARY’S WOMB TO DESTROY LUCIFER, AND THE DEMONS,that are hated of the LORD’S SOUL, (This it doesn’t mean that God has a soul, but it belongs to Him, his property.)

he shall be chief, and captain. Obvious OWNER through THE HOLY SPIRIT. Wherefore they said, LUCIFER, shall not come into the SOUL.

9: So the LORD dwelt in the soul, and called it the city (CHURCH) of the LORD.

10 And the LORD grew great, and the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY IS WITH HIM

TO CONCLUDE:

1 Chronicles 23 For David said, The LORD God of Israel hath given rest unto his people, that they may dwell in Jerusalem forever.

First notice the title: THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL, implying that finally Israel (the ex spirit of Lucifer) return to the Father, and the word FOREVER. Indicating the last day.

The above is a reference to THE MYSTICAL BODY ,THE SPIRIT, SOUL AND FLESH , HIS PEOPLE ( the church, the people of God) which on the LAST DAY OF THE LORD WILL REST ,WILL FORM HIS GLORIFIED MYSTYCAL BODY THE NEW JERUSALEM FOR ETERNITY.

This is mentioned in HEBREWS 4 HEREUNDER:

1Therefore, while the promise of entering HIS REST still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. 3For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

“As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest,” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

May 6, 2012 at 4:30 pm#296726

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2012,08:39)

Hi Charles,
Catholicism put itself in a corner as you have and had to declare that Mary is the Mother of God.
They then proceeded to make her a perfect female demigod alike perhaps to astarte.

Turn back from their idolatry.

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Catholicism put itself in a corner as you have and had to declare that Mary is the Mother of God.

Nick,

hereunder is not CATHOLICISM,

IT IS PURE SCRIPTURE!!

What is the meaning of this???

Luke 1:43And whence is this to me, that THE MOTHER OF THE LORD should come to me?

What does it mean: THE MOTHER OF THE LORD

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

May 6, 2012 at 4:40 pm#296727

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Edj,

I would like to add this revelation:

Israel symbolically The Spirit (ex Lucifer’s Satan)

Jerusalem symbolically The Body (Lucifer’s in Adam first born (created) man)

Zion symbolically The Soul ( Lucifer’s in Adam first born (created)soul)

The above is the first established man after Adam sinned.

Keep in mind that these three entities were only possible to be achieved,through the sacrifice of Jesus Spirit in order to reconcile all onto Himself through His death on the cross.

John 6:39 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day

The above scripture is definitely making us aware, that no matter how long, since all that was created through Jesus Spirit, therefore the entire creation, would definitely be recuperated. But in modified, or rather glorified form. This believe it or not includes even our world, but entirely spiritual, for the simple reason that since the soul to be created traveled all the way through creation, she would maintain all the phases of its creation within itself, and when ALL THE ENTIRE SOULS unite as ONE BODY on the last day,THEY WOULD FORM THE NEW WORLD COMPOSED IN ALL THE ENTIRE CREATURES EVER CREATED Isaiah 11:1:16

Also the existing entire creation is the MANIFESTATION OF JESUS SPIRIT,BUT ON THE LAST DAY IT WOULD BE THE MANIFESTATION OF HIS MYSTICAL BODY, ALL SPIRITS,SOULS, AND FLESH BODIES. IN ONE BODY FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN FOR ETERNITY.THEREFORE WE WOULD BE THE BODY OF ALMIGHTY GOD . LIKE THE MOST HIGH.

LUCIFER'S DREAM:

love your enemy do good to those who hate you.

ALL IN HIM,ALL WITH HIM,AND ALL FOR HIM

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

May 6, 2012 at 5:06 pm#296728

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 05 2012,15:39)

Hi Charles,
Catholicism put itself in a corner as you have and had to declare that Mary is the Mother of God.

Nick,

How is it that you can clearly see that corner, but are oblivious to the corners your doctrines put you in?

Like God Almighty being with God Almighty. Or something that WAS God Almighty becoming someone that is no longer God Almighty? Or that God, speaking through Jesus, could say He came down from heaven, NOT to do His own will, but the will of He who sent Him?

I agree with you that Charles paints himself into many corners with his man-made theology that scriptures don't only not support, but actually contradict.

I just wonder why you can't see it when you do the same thing.

May 6, 2012 at 6:00 pm#296729

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Hi MB,
God was with God?
Those are not my words.
The Word was with God and was God.

you argue with scripture ?

May 6, 2012 at 6:27 pm#296744

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Nope. I don't argue with scripture at all. I do argue with the asinine interpretation of “THE God” in John 1:1c, but not with the scripture itself.

May 6, 2012 at 7:09 pm#296751

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Hi MB,
Yes you have a preferred option to fit with your lesser god idea.

May 6, 2012 at 7:47 pm#296763

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As opposed to your “God was WITH God, but then became NOT God” idea?

As opposed to your “God sent Himself down from heaven, not to do God's will, but to do God's will” idea?

As opposed to your “God was His own witness, while God was His second witness” idea?

Yeah, I'd say things are shaping up rather nicely for an “a god” translation of 1:1c.

Do you even know that the ONLY reason there is a single English translation that says, “the Word was God” is because TRINITARIAN scholars were trying to make Jesus BE the God he is the Son of? Do you even care?

The translation has been PURPOSELY flawed in the majority of English texts for the asinine reason of making Jesus be the God he is the Son of . And you've bought into that asinine translation hook, line, and sinker.

And just look where it has led you………….to those asinine theories of yours that I posted above.

Come out of her, Nick.

May 6, 2012 at 7:50 pm#296764

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2012,13:09)

Hi MB,
Yes you have a preferred option to fit with your lesser god idea.

Btw, thanks for acknowledging that “a god” IS a viable option for me to prefer.

And thanks for acknowledging that I prefer the option that actually makes sense and aligns with scripture, while YOU prefer the option that does neither of those things.

May 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm#296772

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Hi MB,
Believe what REASON tells you.
But it lacks

May 7, 2012 at 2:34 am#296837

jammin

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nick,

you need some vitamins LOL

May 7, 2012 at 2:43 am#296838

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Hi MB,
You will stick with your doctrines anyway.
Viable??

May 9, 2012 at 10:44 am#297122

jammin

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Christ is truly God by nature.
case closed

May 9, 2012 at 11:13 am#297128

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Hi Jammin,

You're using terms that we DO NOT KNOW how you're defining?
What does “God by nature” even mean? Will you
define your use of this term for us?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 9, 2012 at 11:17 am#297129

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Hi Nick,

Here is another example of an 'undefined phrase'.
If we are to have “a viable discussion”,
the terms need to be defined!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 9, 2012 at 11:29 am#297130

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Hi Jammin,

Here's the list of my terms…

GOD: the creator of the universe.
NATURE: the physical world collectively.

I will be referring to my terms in our discussions.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 9, 2012 at 11:30 am#297131

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Quote (jammin @ May 09 2012,21:44)

Christ is truly God by nature.
case closed

Case re-opened

May 9, 2012 at 7:20 pm#297141