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Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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  • April 23, 2012 at 1:32 am#294301
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (carmel @ April 22 2012,15:36)
    NO ONE IS CALLED THE ANOINTED ONE WHICH WAS A PARTICULAR TITLE ONLY FOR JESUS


    Sorry Charlie,

    But you are mistaken. Many have been called God's “mashiyach”, or “christos”. Surely Jesus was the one mashiyach that the Jews were awaiting, and was commonly referred to as “the Christ” – meaning, “THE one who was soon to come”.

    It is similar to Jesus being referred to as “THE Lord”, despite the fact that there have been many lords since the founding of the world.

    As I've repeatedly said, I don't know for sure if Jesus is meant in 1 Cor 10 because the scripture doesn't mention the name “Jesus”. But I don't doubt that it is Jesus that is referred to, just as I don't doubt Jesus was the angel of Jehovah who was sent before the Israelites in the wilderness.

    On the other hand, Paul mentions being “baptized into Moses” in the same teaching, and Moses was definitely a mashiyach of God. So it could also refer to him. More info is needed to be sure, and that info just isn't there.

    peace,
    mike

    April 23, 2012 at 1:38 am#294302
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,

    CHRIST
    Number 5547
    Transliteration:
    Christos {khris-tos'}
    Word Origin:
    from 5548
    TDNT:
    9:493,1322
    Part of Speech:
    adjective
    Usage in the KJV:
    Christ 569

    Total: 569
    Definition:
    Christ = “anointed”
    1.Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God
    2.anointed

    April 23, 2012 at 1:40 am#294304
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Acts 2
    36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God HATH MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

    April 23, 2012 at 1:47 am#294310
    mikeboll64
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    Thank you for the support, Nick. I agree with your last two posts.

    April 23, 2012 at 1:50 am#294313
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Good.
    Then you will not teach?

    “”the Christ” – meaning, “THE one who was soon to come”.”

    April 23, 2012 at 2:18 am#294324
    mikeboll64
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    Nick,

    Jesus was “the christ” who was to come in the NT days. Jesus is not the only christ God ever anointed.

    Am I speaking scriptural truth or not?

    April 23, 2012 at 2:20 am#294326
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    You show scant respect for your lesser god.

    April 23, 2012 at 2:30 am#294330
    mikeboll64
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    Oh, you mean your Lord who won the “God Lottery”, Nick?

    Your Lord who didn't sacrifice a single thing, but instead was BLESSED beyond measure by being chosen to suffer one bad day in exchange for eternity at God's right hand?

    I hold him in a much higher esteem than you do. I recognize the sacrifice he made for us. Your Jesus didn't sacrifice a single thing, but instead hit the jackpot of all jackpots.

    I noticed that since you weren't able to deny that I was speaking the scriptural truth in my last post, you resorted to insults. Very Christian of you. ???

    April 23, 2012 at 2:31 am#294332
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Yes you continue to cast scorn at the Lord of all.
    Who is your master?

    April 23, 2012 at 2:41 am#294337
    mikeboll64
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    Jesus Christ, who left his cushy life as an eternal spirit being in heaven to be made in the likeness of sinful flesh because the children were also of sinful flesh.

    He emptied himself of life eternal and great power and glory to be reborn as a lesser species and suffer at the hands of the puny men who were created through him.

    Your Master, on the other hand, was a normal human being who won the “God Lottery” by being chosen out of millions to go through one day of trial in exchange for eternal life at the right hand of God.

    April 23, 2012 at 2:44 am#294338
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,

    Disrespect of the Holy One of God shows what is in your heart.

    Do you fear God?
    It is the beginning of wisdom

    April 23, 2012 at 3:04 am#294343
    mikeboll64
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    It is only disrespect for your imagined lottery winner, Nick.

    I show the utmost respect for our true Lord, who emptied himself and suffered to the point of dying a death he never would have had to die in the first place if he chose to remain in heaven where he was at.

    That is the mind that was in Christ, that he would leave all good things in his life to suffer for our sakes. That is the mind we are also to have in us.

    April 23, 2012 at 1:19 pm#294389
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2012,00:58)

    Quote (jammin @ April 22 2012,00:53)
    is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?


    Yes, Jesus is one of God's MANY christs.  And Jesus is one of MANY lords.

    Are you saying you can't show me the name JESUS in the Greek text?


    tnx for answering that Christ is Jesus.

    verse 9 says his LORD. moses is not the lord of paul LOL

    paul is serving Christ the LORD and not moses! LOL

    read the context boy.

    April 23, 2012 at 1:20 pm#294390
    jammin
    Participant

    Christ is truly GOD.

    case closed

    April 23, 2012 at 1:54 pm#294400
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,00:20)
    Christ is truly GOD.

    case closed


    Hi Jammin,

    Do these casted out devils know more than you?
    “And devils also came out of many, crying out, and
    saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God.” (Luke 4:41)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    April 23, 2012 at 7:25 pm#294422
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Are you not yet a son or daughter of God?

    April 23, 2012 at 8:46 pm#294432
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2012,12:32)

    Quote (carmel @ April 22 2012,15:36)
    NO ONE IS CALLED THE ANOINTED ONE WHICH WAS A PARTICULAR TITLE ONLY FOR JESUS


    Sorry Charlie,

    But you are mistaken.  Many have been called God's “mashiyach”, or “christos”.  Surely Jesus was the one mashiyach that the Jews were awaiting, and was commonly referred to as “the Christ” – meaning, “THE one who was soon to come”.  

    It is similar to Jesus being referred to as “THE Lord”, despite the fact that there have been many lords since the founding of the world.

    As I've repeatedly said, I don't know for sure if Jesus is meant in 1 Cor 10 because the scripture doesn't mention the name “Jesus”.  But I don't doubt that it is Jesus that is referred to, just as I don't doubt Jesus was the angel of Jehovah who was sent before the Israelites in the wilderness.

    On the other hand, Paul mentions being “baptized into Moses” in the same teaching, and Moses was definitely a mashiyach of God.  So it could also refer to him.  More info is needed to be sure, and that info just isn't there.

    peace,
    mike


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      Surely Jesus was the one mashiyach that the Jews were awaiting, and was commonly referred to as “the Christ”            

    THE ANOINTED ONE IS A TITLE FOR JESUS ONLY AS THE MESSIAS

    THAT'S FINAL

    God's anointed ,has nothing to do with  THE ANOINTED ONE

    David was God's anointed through Samuel with the oil, But not the anointed ONE by God Himself without the oil .

    The oil represents God to prove that, that particular person was chosen by God through the prophet.

    But Jesus was already anointed,HE WAS BORN ANOINTED

    THAT'S WHY THE ANOINTED ONE SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR JESUS TO BE ANOINTED WITH OIL.

    MOSES IS THE FOREUNNER OF JESUS.

    MOSES HAD JESUS SPIRIT IN HIS SOUL

    MOSES ON HIS BIRTH WAS CALLED GOODLY CHILD

    THIS TO REFER THAT HE WAS ANOINTED BY GOD AS THE MESSIAS SIMILAR TO JESUS.

    MOSES AND JESUS ARE IDENTICAL BEFORE THEIR BIRTH, AND DURING THEIR LIFE.

    Exodus 2:2And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES

    April 23, 2012 at 11:10 pm#294462
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (jammin @ April 23 2012,07:19)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2012,00:58)

    Quote (jammin @ April 22 2012,00:53)
    is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?


    Yes, Jesus is one of God's MANY christs.  And Jesus is one of MANY lords.

    Are you saying you can't show me the name JESUS in the Greek text?


    tnx for answering that Christ is Jesus.

    verse 9 says his LORD. moses is not the lord of paul LOL

    paul is serving Christ the LORD and not moses! LOL

    read the context boy.


    The “christ” could have been Moses OR Jesus.

    And the “lord” could have been Jesus (IF the “christ” was Jesus) OR God.

    April 23, 2012 at 11:20 pm#294465
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (carmel @ April 23 2012,14:46)
    But Jesus was already anointed,HE WAS BORN ANOINTED


    Hi Charles,

    I agree that Jesus was born an anointed one of God, and “the one who was to come into the world”. (John 11:27)  Since Jesus was THE anointed one who was to come into the world, he is often referred to as THE christ.  And he was THE christ they had been waiting for, but he was NOT the only christ of God.

    One of God's other christs was Cyrus.  And like Jesus, Cyrus was also prophesied about before he walked on the face of the earth:

    Isaiah 44:28
    who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, “Let it be rebuilt,” and of the temple, “Let its foundations be laid.”’

    Isaiah 45:1
    “This is what the LORD says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:

    Isaiah 45:13
    I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free, but not for a price or reward, says the LORD Almighty.”

    Charles, do you see the word I bolded in 45:1?  The Hebrew word is “mashiyach” (messiah) – the SAME EXACT word used of Jesus.

    April 24, 2012 at 2:30 am#294503
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    No sign of any anointing before birth or after till the Jordan.
    But you have your dogmas to uphold.

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