Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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Hi Jammin,
So the key is the nature.
Simplistic madness

April 22, 2012 at 9:19 am#294137

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that Christ is the LORD himself. the messiah!
1 cor 10.4
and drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from the spiritual rock that went with them. That rock was the Messiah.

Show me from the Greek text the name “JESUS”, okay?

If you cannot, then you are making stuff up.

Also, if the christ referred to IS Jesus, wouldn't that mean Jesus was the ANGEL OF God that God sent ahead of the Israelites?

LOL

is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?
LOL

JESUS IS THE CHRIST! he is the LORD!

do not make people fool mike. paul is not referring the word Chrst to moses. he is talking about the LORD, the MESSIAH and not MOSES!

you cant even read your imagination and you want people to believe you LOL

poor mike

Hi Jammin,

Is not God The Father “The LORD”; written of in the Old and New Testament?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

we are talking about 1 cor 10.4-9
why dont you read my post? LOL

That is not an answer to my question?

April 22, 2012 at 9:24 am#294138

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Hi Jammin,
Did you not know that LORD in the OT is the jewish substitution for YHWH, the Father of Jesus Christ?

we are talking about 1 cor 10.4-9

read the context boy. the LORD is Cristo! he is the messiah! the son of GOD!

Christ is truly GOD!

Hi Jammin,

Are you not making “two” God's?
(if not, please explain why not; OK?)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj,

they only have one nature and that is “GOD”

exmple,
you and your father have one nature, MAN

your father is MAN by nature. you (the son of your father) is also MAN by nature.

the father and Christ(son of the father) have the same nature, GOD!

Rudimentary logic is getting 'burned-up'!

2:5 τουτο γαρ φρονεισθω εν υμιν ο και εν χριστω ιησου
2:6 ος εν μορφη θεου υπαρχων ουχ αρπαγμον ηγησατο το ειναι ισα θεω

(Phil 2:5-6) 2:5 This understanding is in you in Christ Jesus:
2:6 In the form that God exists, think it not robbery to be considered equal.

Kinda backs up what 2Peter 1:4 says, huh?

“Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:
that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Peter 1:4)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 22, 2012 at 9:50 am#294142

jammin

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peter said ye might be partakers of the divine nature,

that is not really the nature of man, but you “might be” partakers of God's nature.

but Christ is different. that is really his nature. he is God by nature.
phil 2.6
For he, who had always been God by nature,

study hard boy

Christ is truly GOD!

April 22, 2012 at 10:22 am#294148

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Hi Jammin, (deceitful lusts of power)

“Put off concerning the former conversation the OLD MAN,
which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; (Eph 4:22)

“Be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the NEW MAN,
which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. (Eph 4:23-24)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 22, 2012 at 1:56 pm#294162

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Hi MB,
Where does scripture state that the ROCK from which the Israelites drank was an angel, and an angel called Jesus?

You made SEVERAL STEPS of speculation to reach that decision.

Nick,

I shouldn't even bother posting this, but:

SHOW ME WHERE I CLAIMED THE ROCK WAS JESUS.

April 22, 2012 at 1:58 pm#294163

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is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?

Yes, Jesus is one of God's MANY christs. And Jesus is one of MANY lords.

Are you saying you can't show me the name JESUS in the Greek text?

April 22, 2012 at 3:25 pm#294174

carmel

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Hi Jammin,
Jesus said he was a man but never claimed to be God.
But you know better?

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Jesus said he was a man but never claimed to be God.
But you know better?

Nick,

Read John 10:33

33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God

So HE MADE HIMSELF GOD

Peace and Love in Jesus

Charles

Hi CHARLES.
SO IF THE CARNAL JEWS thought JESUS MADE HIMSELF TO BE GOD

HE DID.

WHY DO YOU ALIGN WITH THE CARNAL??

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SO IF THE CARNAL JEWS thought JESUS MADE HIMSELF TO BE GOD

Nick,
Read :

44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

THE HONOR WHICH COMES FROM GOD ONLY!! SO JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH SINCE THERE’S THE WORD ONLY.
Now:
What is the difference between the carnal Jews, and the carnal Nick???

The carnal Nick is convinced that Jesus is not God in flesh NO MATTER WHAT.

The carnal Jews, were convinced that God could never be man, NO MATTER WHAT,

but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Although they were so meticulously experts regarding their God, Jesus knew,that it was useless for him to demonstrate with His work, and speeches that He was a divine person, they opted ONLY to stone Him for BLASPHEMYand for the simple reason that God COULD NEVER BE MAN , NO MATTER WHAT, in fact it was more likely for them that Jesus was Satan himself,which was Satan's (THEIR FATHER)belief rather who's spirit was in their souls,and made their heart of stones so they see and not perceive,and hear and not understand.

Like yours.

They expected that SINCE, God COULD never be born of a woman, He would definitely come down from the sky the only genuine proof that He was God, something which if it did happen he would have never been crucified, obvious Jesus came to die more than anything else, in order to eliminate Satan the Jews substance,and He never wanted to do something which would be detriment to our free will.

That JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH would be something to be used as our justification through faith. One receives according to what he believes.

Matthew 9;29Then touched he their eyes, saying, ACCORDING TO YOUR FAITH BE IT UNTO YOU.

Matthew 10:41He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward

SO HE THAT RECIEVE A GOD,IN THE NAME OF A GOD SHALL RECEIVE A GOD'S REWARD!!!

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

April 22, 2012 at 4:10 pm#294189

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is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?

Yes, Jesus is one of God's MANY christs. And Jesus is one of MANY lords.

Are you saying you can't show me the name JESUS in the Greek text?

Hi Mike,

“[Martha] saith unto [Jesus], Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art “The Christ”,
the Son of God, which should come into the world.” (John 11:27)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 22, 2012 at 4:15 pm#294190

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Nick,

JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH SINCE THERE’S THE WORD ONLY.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS
CHARLES

Hi Charles,

What is this suppose to mean?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 22, 2012 at 4:55 pm#294197

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is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?

Yes, Jesus is one of God's MANY christs. And Jesus is one of MANY lords.

Are you saying you can't show me the name JESUS in the Greek text?

Hi Mike,

“[Martha] saith unto [Jesus], Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art “The Christ”,
the Son of God, which should come into the world.” (John 11:27)

Ed,

We are discussing a particular scripture. No one is denying that Jesus is one of God's many christs.

April 22, 2012 at 5:48 pm#294204

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is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?

Yes, Jesus is one of God's MANY christs. And Jesus is one of MANY lords.

Are you saying you can't show me the name JESUS in the Greek text?

Hi Mike,

“[Martha] saith unto [Jesus], Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art “The Christ”,
the Son of God, which should come into the world.” (John 11:27)

Ed,

We are discussing a particular scripture. No one is denying that Jesus is one of God's many christs.

Hi Mike,

Jesus was not just an anointed of God,
but “The Anointing” is part of who he was.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 22, 2012 at 6:11 pm#294205

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Ed,

I would ask for a scripture to support what you claim, but I know I would only get a multi-colored page full of numbers and unrelated scriptures that don't even come close to saying what you claim they do.

Scripture teaches that Jesus was one of God's anointed ones, not that he himself WAS “the anointing”.

April 22, 2012 at 6:22 pm#294209

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Hi Mike,

So you don't to see the related Scripture then?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 22, 2012 at 6:29 pm#294211

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I see a scripture that says Jesus is “the Christ”, which means “an anointed one of God”. I don't see any scripture saying Jesus is, or is a part of, that anointing itself.

April 22, 2012 at 6:58 pm#294218

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Hi MB,
So Jesus is not now THE CHRIST to you?

April 22, 2012 at 7:01 pm#294219

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that Christ is the LORD himself. the messiah!
1 cor 10.4
and drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from the spiritual rock that went with them. That rock was the Messiah.

Show me from the Greek text the name “JESUS”, okay?

If you cannot, then you are making stuff up.

Also, if the christ referred to IS Jesus, wouldn't that mean Jesus was the ANGEL OF God that God sent ahead of the Israelites?

Hi MB,
You went far further into vain speculation.

April 22, 2012 at 9:36 pm#294267

carmel

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is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?

Yes, Jesus is one of God's MANY christs. And Jesus is one of MANY lords.

Are you saying you can't show me the name JESUS in the Greek text?

Hi Mike,

“[Martha] saith unto [Jesus], Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art “The Christ”,
the Son of God, which should come into the world.” (John 11:27)

Ed,

We are discussing a particular scripture. No one is denying that Jesus is one of God's many christs.

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We are discussing a particular scripture. No one is denying that Jesus is one of God's many christs.

25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

Mike,

Read the above so you can explain why the samaritan woman didn't just say messias but she said WHICH IS CALLED CHRIST!

There's only ONE CHRIST and only ONE MESSIAS in the Hebrew term.

The hebrew term for anoint is:

mashach: to smear, anoint

In Greek is Christ

So the samaritan wanted to be clear that there's only ONE PARTICULAR PERSON WHO IS THE ANOINTED ONE WHICH MEANS THE MESSIAS AND THAT IS :

JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY ONE GOD IN FLESH

NOWHERE IN SCRIPTURE IS WRITTEN THE WORD CHRIST WHEN THEY REFERRED TO ANOINT.

TO ANOINT WITH OIL BY MEN IS ONE THING BUT TO BE ANOINTED BY GOD IS ANOTHER AND THERE'S NO NEED OF OIL,AND THE TERM

MESSIAS THE ANOITED ONE CHRIST

WAS MEANT BY GOD. THAT'S WHY THE ANOINTED ONE

NO ONE IS CALLED THE ANOINTED ONE WHICH WAS A PARTICULAR TITLE ONLY FOR JESUS

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS ONLY THE ANOITED ONE

CHARLES

April 22, 2012 at 9:56 pm#294271

carmel

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Nick,

JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH SINCE THERE’S THE WORD ONLY.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS
CHARLES

Hi Charles,

What is this suppose to mean?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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What is this suppose to mean?

from God only?

Edj,

44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only

Jesus is clear that if they seek His honour,they would seek the honour which comes from God .Therefore He is God!!since He said ONLY.

HE COULD HAVE SAIDand seek not the honour that cometh from God BUT HE DIDN'T

THE WORD ONLY IS MEANT THAT THERE'S NO OTHER AND ONLY JESUS HAD THE HONOUR OF GOD,ACCORDING TO HIM.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

April 22, 2012 at 9:59 pm#294272