Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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Quote (carmel @ April 22 2012,08:11)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2012,17:07)

Hi Jammin,
Jesus said he was a man but never claimed to be God.
But you know better?

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Jesus said he was a man but never claimed to be God.
But you know better?

Nick,

Read John 10:33

33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God

So HE MADE HIMSELF GOD

Peace and Love in Jesus

Charles

Hi CHARLES.
SO IF THE CARNAL JEWS thought JESUS MADE HIMSELF TO BE GOD

HE DID.

WHY DO YOU ALIGN WITH THE CARNAL??

April 21, 2012 at 10:31 pm#293981

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2012,13:48)

Hi MB,
You theorise

” Also, you haven't commented on the fact that IF Paul DID refer to Jesus in that passage, it only shows that Jesus was the ANGEL of God who was sent ahead of the Israelites. So even if you KNEW it referred to Jesus, it wouldn't make him God Almighty, but one of God's many angels. “

You are still blind and want others to follow you into the ditch?

Nick,

Is there a SCRIPTURAL reason that the christ to whom Paul referred CAN'T POSSIBLY be either Jesus OR Moses?

Let's hear that scripture.

April 21, 2012 at 10:49 pm#293982

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Hi MB,
No there is plenty of room for the speculators and the careless to fall into folly.

Why would you lead the way?

April 21, 2012 at 11:13 pm#293991

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2012,16:49)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2012,16:31)

Nick,

Is there a SCRIPTURAL reason that the christ to whom Paul referred CAN'T POSSIBLY be either Jesus OR Moses?

Hi MB,
No……………

Okay then…………….. shhhhhh.

April 21, 2012 at 11:31 pm#293993

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Hi MB,
Yes I am sure you prefer to be able to preach your own ideas without interruption.

April 22, 2012 at 12:26 am#294020

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Only without your pesky nonsense, Nick.

April 22, 2012 at 12:28 am#294022

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Hi MB,
You cannot stop speculating so why would we not warn you?

April 22, 2012 at 2:38 am#294048

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,02:58)

Quote (jammin @ April 21 2012,09:18)

read the context mike LOL

the term Christ refers to the LORD himself (verse 9). Christ is LORD and GOD!

your imagination that it refers to “moses” is not in the bible LOL
you need to study the context mike. it refers to the messiah.

Well, there have existed MANY lords, and MANY christs of God. So tell me how the words “lord” and “christ” tell you that Paul was speaking of none other than Jesus.

(And don't forget that in the previous verse, Paul mentions that they were all baptized into MOSES – who we know was one of God's christs.)

Also, you haven't commented on the fact that IF Paul DID refer to Jesus in that passage, it only shows that Jesus was the ANGEL of God who was sent ahead of the Israelites. So even if you KNEW it referred to Jesus, it wouldn't make him God Almighty, but one of God's many angels.

that is just your opinion. i told you to read in 1 cor 10.4 that it refers to moses but you cant give me any single translation LOL

poor mike. you belong to the dreamer group.

that Christ is the LORD himself. the messiah!
1 cor 10.4
and drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from the spiritual rock that went with them. That rock was the Messiah.

1 cor 10.9
We should not test the Lord, as some of them did–and were killed by snakes.

Nor should we put Christ to the test, as some of them did and then died from snakebites.

study hard boy LOL

April 22, 2012 at 2:53 am#294049

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Christ is truly GOD. he is God by nature! he is almighty!

Philippians 2:6

New Living Translation (NLT)

6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.

rev 1.8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

I am Alpha and Omega,…. These are the words of Christ himself, appearing at once, and confirming what John had said of him, concerning his person, offices, and future coming: Alpha is the first letter, and Omega the last in the Greek alphabet, and signifies that Christ is the first and the last, as it is interpreted in Revelation 1:11, and is a character often given to the divine Being in prophetic writings; see Isaiah 41:4; and is no small proof of the proper deity of Christ. Alpha is used by the Jews for the chief of persons or things,

“Macmas and Mezonicha (names of places) are , “Alpha for fine flour”;

that is, the best fine flour is there, they are the chief places for it: and again,

“Tekoah is , “Alpha for oil”,

or the chief place for oil; the best oil was to be had there (s): so Christ, he is the Alpha, the chief as to his divine nature, being God over all, blessed for ever; and in his divine sonship, none, angels or men, are in such sense the Son of God as he is; and in all his offices, of prophet, priest, and King; he is the prophet, the great prophet of the church, never man spake like him, or taught as he did;

April 22, 2012 at 3:00 am#294053

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Quote (jammin @ April 21 2012,20:38)

that Christ is the LORD himself. the messiah!
1 cor 10.4
and drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from the spiritual rock that went with them. That rock was the Messiah.

Show me from the Greek text the name “JESUS”, okay?

If you cannot, then you are making stuff up.

Also, if the christ referred to IS Jesus, wouldn't that mean Jesus was the ANGEL OF God that God sent ahead of the Israelites?

April 22, 2012 at 3:20 am#294065

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Hi Jammin,
Did you not know that LORD in the OT is the jewish substitution for YHWH, the Father of Jesus Christ?

April 22, 2012 at 3:22 am#294067

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Hi MB,
Where does scripture state that the ROCK from which the Israelites drank was an angel, and an angel called Jesus?

You made SEVERAL STEPS of speculation to reach that decision.

April 22, 2012 at 6:26 am#294102

carmel

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2012,08:30)

Quote (carmel @ April 22 2012,08:11)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2012,17:07)

Hi Jammin,
Jesus said he was a man but never claimed to be God.
But you know better?

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Jesus said he was a man but never claimed to be God.
But you know better?

Nick,

Read John 10:33

33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God

So HE MADE HIMSELF GOD

Peace and Love in Jesus

Charles

Hi CHARLES.
SO IF THE CARNAL JEWS thought JESUS MADE HIMSELF TO BE GOD

HE DID.

WHY DO YOU ALIGN WITH THE CARNAL??

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WHY DO YOU ALIGN WITH THE CARNAL??

Nick I never realized that YOU ARE NOT CARNAL!!

April 22, 2012 at 6:30 am#294104

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Hi Charles,
Should you side with the Pharisees?

April 22, 2012 at 6:53 am#294109

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,14:00)

Quote (jammin @ April 21 2012,20:38)

that Christ is the LORD himself. the messiah!
1 cor 10.4
and drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from the spiritual rock that went with them. That rock was the Messiah.

Show me from the Greek text the name “JESUS”, okay?

If you cannot, then you are making stuff up.

Also, if the christ referred to IS Jesus, wouldn't that mean Jesus was the ANGEL OF God that God sent ahead of the Israelites?

LOL

is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?
LOL

JESUS IS THE CHRIST! he is the LORD!

do not make people fool mike. paul is not referring the word Chrst to moses. he is talking about the LORD, the MESSIAH and not MOSES!

you cant even read your imagination and you want people to believe you LOL

poor mike

April 22, 2012 at 6:55 am#294110

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2012,14:20)

Hi Jammin,
Did you not know that LORD in the OT is the jewish substitution for YHWH, the Father of Jesus Christ?

we are talking about 1 cor 10.4-9

read the context boy. the LORD is Cristo! he is the messiah! the son of GOD!

Christ is truly GOD!

April 22, 2012 at 7:07 am#294115

Ed J

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Quote (jammin @ April 22 2012,17:53)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,14:00)

Quote (jammin @ April 21 2012,20:38)

that Christ is the LORD himself. the messiah!
1 cor 10.4
and drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from the spiritual rock that went with them. That rock was the Messiah.

Show me from the Greek text the name “JESUS”, okay?

If you cannot, then you are making stuff up.

Also, if the christ referred to IS Jesus, wouldn't that mean Jesus was the ANGEL OF God that God sent ahead of the Israelites?

LOL

is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?
LOL

JESUS IS THE CHRIST! he is the LORD!

do not make people fool mike. paul is not referring the word Chrst to moses. he is talking about the LORD, the MESSIAH and not MOSES!

you cant even read your imagination and you want people to believe you LOL

poor mike

Hi Jammin,

Is not God The Father “The LORD”; written of in the Old and New Testament?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 22, 2012 at 7:14 am#294118

Ed J

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Quote (jammin @ April 22 2012,17:55)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2012,14:20)

Hi Jammin,
Did you not know that LORD in the OT is the jewish substitution for YHWH, the Father of Jesus Christ?

we are talking about 1 cor 10.4-9

read the context boy. the LORD is Cristo! he is the messiah! the son of GOD!

Christ is truly GOD!

Hi Jammin,

Are you not making “two” God's?
(if not, please explain why not; OK?)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 22, 2012 at 7:23 am#294120

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Quote (Ed J @ April 22 2012,18:07)

Quote (jammin @ April 22 2012,17:53)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2012,14:00)

Quote (jammin @ April 21 2012,20:38)

that Christ is the LORD himself. the messiah!
1 cor 10.4
and drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from the spiritual rock that went with them. That rock was the Messiah.

Show me from the Greek text the name “JESUS”, okay?

If you cannot, then you are making stuff up.

Also, if the christ referred to IS Jesus, wouldn't that mean Jesus was the ANGEL OF God that God sent ahead of the Israelites?

LOL

is jesus not the Christ? is jesus not the LORD?
LOL

JESUS IS THE CHRIST! he is the LORD!

do not make people fool mike. paul is not referring the word Chrst to moses. he is talking about the LORD, the MESSIAH and not MOSES!

you cant even read your imagination and you want people to believe you LOL

poor mike

Hi Jammin,

Is not God The Father “The LORD”; written of in the Old and New Testament?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

we are talking about 1 cor 10.4-9
why dont you read my post? LOL

April 22, 2012 at 7:24 am#294121