Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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  • #293805
    jammin
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2012,11:14)

    Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:46)
    the nautre of man is not all knowing. but the nature of GOd is all knowing


    So then when Jesus was man, he WASN'T really all-knowing, was he?


    pls read my post again

    you are not reading well my post LOL

    Jesus is both Man and God. God manifested in the flesh!

    (when it refers to his nature as GOd )he is all knowing peter said.

    when it refers to his human nature, he do not know the day of his coming.

    #293808
    terraricca
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2012,18:14)

    Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:46)
    the nautre of man is not all knowing. but the nature of GOd is all knowing


    So then when Jesus was man, he WASN'T really all-knowing, was he?


    no matter what Jesus knew he was restricted by the will of his fathers will ,

    so what ever knowledge he would have above all other he could not use it because of the need to fulfill God's will

    #293809
    jammin
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    as God, Christ is all knowing. he is God by nature. phil 2.6

    #293810
    terraricca
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    Quote (jammin @ April 21 2012,22:07)
    as God, Christ is all knowing. he is God by nature. phil 2.6


    Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
    taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.

    this does not say what you say but it support what I say

    #293811
    jammin
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    you dont understand what paul said. read verse 6-7
    this is the meaning of the verse

    ill post it again
    Philippians 2:6-7

    New Life Version (NLV)
    6 Jesus has always been as God is. But He did not hold to His rights as God.7 He put aside everything that belonged to Him and made Himself the same as a servant who is owned by someone. He became human by being born as a man.

    #293820
    Ed J
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    Quote (jammin @ April 21 2012,14:52)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2012,21:04)

    Quote (jammin @ April 20 2012,13:30)
    read the context boy. you are just making your own opinion LOL

    is peter lying when he said christ is all knowing? no man is all knowing. Christ is truly God!

    i believe what apostle peter said.

    the verse mat 24.36 refers to his human nature. as man, he did not know the time of his coming. but as God, he knows all.

    remember christ became flesh. he is truly God and truly MAn.


    Hi Jammin,

    Your words seem to be a bit contradictory.

    God bless
    Ed J


    you dont understand my post LOL

    let me post it again .
    as man, he did not know the time of his coming.


    Hi Jammin,

    Correct, he didn't know it would be 50 days after his resurrection. (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #293829
    jammin
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    Christ is both Man and God.
    he is God by nature. God manifested in the flesh

    #293831
    NickHassan
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    Hi Jammin,
    Jesus said he was a man but never claimed to be God.
    But you know better?

    #293867
    jammin
    Participant

    let the bible speak

    Philippians 2:8

    English Standard Version (ESV)

    8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

    paul said he humbled himself…he humbled himself nick.

    now,
    is Christ not GOD?

    let the bible speak again
    John 20:28

    English Standard Version (ESV)

    28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

    i believe what the bible says. even the apostles know that Christ is God who became flesh.
    Philippians 2:6

    Good News Translation (GNT)

    6 He always had the nature of God,
         but he did not think that by force he should try to remain[a] equal with God.

    1 Timothy 3:16

    King James Version (KJV)

    16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    not the father, but the son who is also God by nature.

    let us read again phil 2.6
    Good News Translation (GNT)

    6 He always had the nature of God,
         but he did not think that by force he should try to remain[a] equal with God.

    Christ is truly God. he became flesh and dwelt among us.

    sorry boy but you need to study hard

    #293884
    carmel
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    Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2012,02:30)

    Quote (carmel @ April 21 2012,01:26)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2012,21:04)

    Quote (jammin @ April 20 2012,13:30)
    read the context boy. you are just making your own opinion LOL

    is peter lying when he said christ is all knowing? no man is all knowing. Christ is truly God!

    i believe what apostle peter said.

    the verse mat 24.36 refers to his human nature. as man, he did not know the time of his coming. but as God, he knows all.

    remember christ became flesh. he is truly God and truly MAn.


    Hi Jammin,

    Your words seem to be a bit contradictory.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    High Edj,

    Matthew 4:7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

    Wasn't Jesus referring to Himself, after all He was being tempted


    Hi Charles,

    “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19)


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    To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19)

    Edj,

    Now reflect on this :

    Don't be so eager to answer me,because it needs a deep reflection.

    God, in order to  achieve His kingdom, knew that He must make all His creatures His abode, no matter what, in order to be their life source, to lead them to perfection, to redeem them and also maintain eternal life in them. Not only that, but creatures would never realize this, for the simple reason, that he would serve them most suitably according to their general feelings, needs, time, and place. He also execute all this through His wisdom of benignity than His power of His Majesty. Also THIS WISDOM OF BENIGNITY, is most brilliant towards His imperfect creatures, therefore mostly through His general tolerance, in order to lead them into perfection, even by their own free will.

    NOW THEREFORE!!

    So Since Lucifer wanted to be like the Most High, God would achieve Lucifer’s will in order to redeem him.

    Clarification:

    Lucifer would eventually become like the Most High, since it was his will. But since due to his dream he became proud, and even went into the state of darkness and could never love and appreciate what God made out of him, therefore sinned. God would redeem Lucifer and also make him HIMSELF LIKE THE MOST HIGH, THEREFORE LIKE HIM, BUT ALSO ELIMINATES SIN,AND DEATH. NOT ONLY THAT BUT LUCIFER WOULD NEVER HAVE THE SLIGHTEST AWARENESS WHAT GOD DID FOR HIM SINCE HE WAS EXTREEMELY BLIND,BUT THROUGH ACHIEVING HIS DREAM THROUGH GOD’S WAY REALIZED WHAT AN UNFATHOMABLE LOVE GOD IS.

    BUT ONLY THROUGH JESUS SPIRIT.

    Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure(JESUS) hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

    45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price,(MARY) went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES

    #293892
    Ed J
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    Hi Charles,

    I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luke 13:3)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #293894
    jammin
    Participant

    you need to do that edj

    Christ is truly GOD . repent and be baptized

    #293896
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (jammin @ April 20 2012,21:51)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2012,11:10)

    I don't see the name “JESUS” anywhere in that Greek text, jammin.  I see the word “christos”, but God has had many of those – only one of which was “JESUS”.  So tell me again how you know it refers to Jesus when it doesn't mention his name?

    Also, how do you know that “the Lord” they tested was Jesus?  Does the text mention his name?


    yes…dont you see the word Christ? LOL

    mike you need to study hard boy LOL


    Hmmmm…………….

    It seems you need to read my words a little closer, jammin. The word I don't see in that Greek you posted is “JESUS”. And since the word “JESUS” is not in that text, tell me how you know it refers to “JESUS”.

    #293899
    jammin
    Participant

    read the context mike LOL

    the term Christ refers to the LORD himself (verse 9). Christ is LORD and GOD!

    your imagination that it refers to “moses” is not in the bible LOL
    you need to study the context mike. it refers to the messiah. :D

    #293901
    jammin
    Participant

    Christ is truly God. he has the nature of God. he is GOD!

    #293913
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (jammin @ April 21 2012,09:18)
    read the context mike LOL

    the term Christ refers to the LORD himself (verse 9). Christ is LORD and GOD!

    your imagination that it refers to “moses” is not in the bible LOL
    you need to study the context mike. it refers to the messiah. :D


    Well, there have existed MANY lords, and MANY christs of God. So tell me how the words “lord” and “christ” tell you that Paul was speaking of none other than Jesus.

    (And don't forget that in the previous verse, Paul mentions that they were all baptized into MOSES – who we know was one of God's christs.)

    Also, you haven't commented on the fact that IF Paul DID refer to Jesus in that passage, it only shows that Jesus was the ANGEL of God who was sent ahead of the Israelites. So even if you KNEW it referred to Jesus, it wouldn't make him God Almighty, but one of God's many angels.

    #293957
    NickHassan
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    Hi MB,
    You theorise

    ” Also, you haven't commented on the fact that IF Paul DID refer to Jesus in that passage, it only shows that Jesus was the ANGEL of God who was sent ahead of the Israelites. So even if you KNEW it referred to Jesus, it wouldn't make him God Almighty, but one of God's many angels. “

    You are still blind and want others to follow you into the ditch?

    #293963
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 22 2012,01:55)
    Hi Charles,

    I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luke 13:3)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


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    To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19)

    Edj,

    I said reflect,

    The sentence 2Cor.5:19 is what I expanded.

    Now to what you posted now:I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luke 13:3)

    I said:

    Also THIS WISDOM OF BENIGNITY, is most brilliant towards His imperfect creatures, therefore mostly through His general tolerance, in order to lead them into perfection, even by their own free will.

    Now those balded need quite a bit of reflection!!!

    Also Refalect:

    Lucifer has perished as an angel,but  he already is on his way to the Father.FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT WE ARE LUCIFER SUBSTANCE  BODYWISE, AND WE WILL REALIZE WHAT WE WERE,AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH ON THE LAST DAY, AND GOD WILL WIPE OUR TEARS AS SOON AS WE BE AWARE WHAT WE DID TO GOD.

    peace and love in Jesus

    'CHARLES

    #293964
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2012,17:07)
    Hi Jammin,
    Jesus said he was a man but never claimed to be God.
    But you know better?


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     Jesus said he was a man but never claimed to be God.
    But you know better?            

    Nick,

    Read John 10:33

    33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God

    So HE MADE HIMSELF GOD

    Peace and Love in Jesus

    Charles

    #293965
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2012,15:22)

    Quote (jammin @ April 21 2012,22:07)
    as God, Christ is all knowing. he is God by nature. phil 2.6


    Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
    taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.

    this does not say what you say but it support what I say


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     Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
    taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
             

    TERARICCA,

    Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing, NOT HE WAS NOTHING
    taking the very nature of a servant,   NOT HE WAS A SERVANT
    being made in human likeness.  NOT HE WAS A HUMAN

    HUMAN LIKENESS IS NOT HUMAN

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS THE ONLY TRUE VISIBLE CARNAL GOD

    CHARLES

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