Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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April 20, 2012 at 2:46 am#293638

mikeboll64

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,20:40)

Hi MB,
You say
“Also, if it DOES refer to Jesus “christos” this time, then all it proves is that Jesus was the ANGEL OF GOD who God sent before the Israelites. It doesn't in any way make a claim that Jesus is God Almighty, does it?”

Is this proveable or just an opinion?

Are you TRYING to contradict yourself, Nick? Or is your left hand unaware of what your right hand has done?

You insisted a while back that the entire nation of Israel was NOT anointed ones of God. But now you're saying the spiritual rock was the spirit of the anointing. And Paul says they ALL drank from that rock.

So which one do you want to be “right” about?

April 20, 2012 at 2:46 am#293639

jammin

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,13:39)

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:30)

the verse mat 24.36 refers to his human nature. as man, he did not know the time of his coming.

So then, as a man, he WASN'T really “all-knowing”, was he?

John 5:20
For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these.

It seems Jesus was NOT all-knowing, for his Father was still in the process of showing him new things at the time he said these words.

the nautre of man is not all knowing. but the nature of GOd is all knowing

John 21:17

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

17 He asked him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?”

Peter was grieved that He asked him the third time, “Do you love Me?” He said, “Lord, You know everything! You know that I love You.”

“Feed My sheep,” Jesus said.

Christ is truly God

April 20, 2012 at 2:47 am#293640

mikeboll64

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,20:41)

Hi MB
Exodus 14:19
And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:

Was this Jesus in your opinion?

Could very well have been Jesus. But Paul could also be talking about Moses, another Christ of God. After all, he points out that they were all “baptized into Moses”.

April 20, 2012 at 2:47 am#293641

NickHassan

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Hi MB,
You say

“And, if you CAN read it in the Greek text, will you admit that Jesus was the ANGEL OF God who was COMMANDED by his God to go before the Israelites? “

So where is Jesus said to have been an angel-any witnesses?
When was he said to be THE angel of God-any witnesses?

I think you will find you have left the path of truth

April 20, 2012 at 2:48 am#293642

mikeboll64

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Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:46)

the nautre of man is not all knowing. but the nature of GOd is all knowing

So then when Jesus was man, he WASN'T really all-knowing, was he?

April 20, 2012 at 2:49 am#293643

mikeboll64

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,20:47)

So where is Jesus said to have been an angel-any witnesses?

Yep. And I've already shown them to you.

April 20, 2012 at 2:53 am#293645

NickHassan

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Hi MB,
No verses that you have shown say this.
Did you add a dash of human wisdom and declare a new truth?

April 20, 2012 at 3:00 am#293646

NickHassan

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Hi MB,
You say
“You insisted a while back that the entire nation of Israel was NOT anointed ones of God. But now you're saying the spiritual rock was the spirit of the anointing. And Paul says they ALL drank from that rock.

So which one do you want to be “right” about? “

The Spirit was with them but they were not anointed with or baptised in it.
They drank from the Spirit but God was not pleased with them all and many died.
The prophets too ministered from the Spirit of Christ in them and it got them murdered
The Jewish people drank too from the fountain that was Jesus but it did most of them no good.

Matthew 13:12
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

April 20, 2012 at 3:00 am#293647

jammin

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,13:40)

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:33)

no need to explain mike

read in 1 cor 10-1.4 that it is moses.

Read in that scripture that it is Jesus. (And I mean the GREEK TEXT, not one of your cheesy, altered translations.)

And, if you CAN read it in the Greek text, will you admit that Jesus was the ANGEL OF God who was COMMANDED by his God to go before the Israelites?

so you cant read in 1 cor 10.1-4 that the rock is moses

you are always dreaming mike LOL

let me post you request greek
ΠΡΟΣ ΚΟΡΙΝΘΙΟΥΣ Α΄ 10
1ου θελω γαρ υμας αγνοειν αδελφοι οτι οι πατερες ημων παντες υπο την νεφελην ησαν και παντες δια της θαλασσης διηλθον

2και παντες εις τον μωυσην εβαπτισαντο εν τη νεφελη και εν τη θαλασση

3και παντες [το αυτο] πνευματικον βρωμα εφαγον

4και παντες το αυτο πνευματικον επιον πομα επινον γαρ εκ πνευματικης ακολουθουσης πετρας η πετρα δε ην ο χριστος

5αλλ ουκ εν τοις πλειοσιν αυτων ευδοκησεν ο θεος κατεστρωθησαν γαρ εν τη ερημω

6ταυτα δε τυποι ημων εγενηθησαν εις το μη ειναι ημας επιθυμητας κακων καθως κακεινοι επεθυμησαν

7μηδε ειδωλολατραι γινεσθε καθως τινες αυτων ωσπερ γεγραπται εκαθισεν ο λαος φαγειν και πειν και ανεστησαν παιζειν

8μηδε πορνευωμεν καθως τινες αυτων επορνευσαν και επεσαν μια ημερα εικοσι τρεις χιλιαδες

9μηδε εκπειραζωμεν τον κυριον καθως τινες αυτων επειρασαν και υπο των οφεων απωλλυντο

10μηδε γογγυζετε καθαπερ τινες αυτων εγογγυσαν και απωλοντο υπο του ολοθρευτου

let me post again 1 cor 10.4,9
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Messiah.

Neither let us test the Lord, as some of them tested, and perished by the serpents.

THAT CHRIST IS THE LORD HIMSELF! THIS CLEARLY REFERS TO THE MESSIAH AND NOT MOSES!

study hard boy. LOL

April 20, 2012 at 3:25 am#293650

NickHassan

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,13:47)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,20:41)

Hi MB
Exodus 14:19
And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:

Was this Jesus in your opinion?

Could very well have been Jesus. But Paul could also be talking about Moses, another Christ of God. After all, he points out that they were all “baptized into Moses”.

Hi MB,
So now you are not sure?
Moses represents the old covenant.

April 20, 2012 at 10:04 am#293673

Ed J

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Quote (jammin @ April 20 2012,13:30)

read the context boy. you are just making your own opinion LOL

is peter lying when he said christ is all knowing? no man is all knowing. Christ is truly God!

i believe what apostle peter said.

the verse mat 24.36 refers to his human nature. as man, he did not know the time of his coming. but as God, he knows all.

remember christ became flesh. he is truly God and truly MAn.

Hi Jammin,

Your words seem to be a bit contradictory.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm#293692

carmel

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Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2012,21:04)

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2012,13:30)

read the context boy. you are just making your own opinion LOL

is peter lying when he said christ is all knowing? no man is all knowing. Christ is truly God!

i believe what apostle peter said.

the verse mat 24.36 refers to his human nature. as man, he did not know the time of his coming. but as God, he knows all.

remember christ became flesh. he is truly God and truly MAn.

Hi Jammin,

Your words seem to be a bit contradictory.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

High Edj,

Matthew 4:7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Wasn't Jesus referring to Himself, after all He was being tempted

April 20, 2012 at 3:30 pm#293700

Ed J

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Quote (carmel @ April 21 2012,01:26)

Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2012,21:04)

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2012,13:30)

read the context boy. you are just making your own opinion LOL

is peter lying when he said christ is all knowing? no man is all knowing. Christ is truly God!

i believe what apostle peter said.

the verse mat 24.36 refers to his human nature. as man, he did not know the time of his coming. but as God, he knows all.

remember christ became flesh. he is truly God and truly MAn.

Hi Jammin,

Your words seem to be a bit contradictory.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

High Edj,

Matthew 4:7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Wasn't Jesus referring to Himself, after all He was being tempted

Hi Charles,

“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19)

April 20, 2012 at 7:18 pm#293706

NickHassan

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Quote (carmel @ April 21 2012,01:26)

Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2012,21:04)

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2012,13:30)

read the context boy. you are just making your own opinion LOL

is peter lying when he said christ is all knowing? no man is all knowing. Christ is truly God!

i believe what apostle peter said.

the verse mat 24.36 refers to his human nature. as man, he did not know the time of his coming. but as God, he knows all.

remember christ became flesh. he is truly God and truly MAn.

Hi Jammin,

Your words seem to be a bit contradictory.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

High Edj,

Matthew 4:7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Wasn't Jesus referring to Himself, after all He was being tempted

Hi Charles,
Satan was suggesting that Jesus tempt God by doing something stupid and then expecting God to save him because of what is written about him.

April 21, 2012 at 12:06 am#293758

mikeboll64

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,21:25)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,13:47)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,20:41)

Hi MB
Exodus 14:19
And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:

Was this Jesus in your opinion?

Could very well have been Jesus. But Paul could also be talking about Moses, another Christ of God. After all, he points out that they were all “baptized into Moses”.

Hi MB,
So now you are not sure?

Nick,

This comment is representative of how you do things on HN. It is the reason many here would rather just ignore you than talk to you.

Can you please show me the post where I made a “SURE” claim that Paul spoke of either Jesus or Moses?

If you cannot, then I'll expect a retraction and an apology.

In the mean time, I will be mostly ignoring your posts. You rarely offer anything scriptural to discuss anyway.

April 21, 2012 at 12:10 am#293761

mikeboll64

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Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,21:00)