Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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  • #282756
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,18:34)
    mike read in 1 john 5.20

    that john says that christ is not the true GOD.


    I already have, jammin. Unless Christ has a son named Jesus, then he is not the “one who is true” that John talks about in 5:20.

    Does Christ have a son named Jesus, jammin?

    #282760
    jammin
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    answer my question mike.
    do not explain/

    read in 1 john 5.20 that Christ is not the true GOD!

    make your own version mike.

    btw, you havent answered my question

    you have the form of man, are you a true man or a false man?

    #282763
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Folks have been hanging their doctrinal hats on a verse or two forever.
    Shallow understandings trip the unwary and unspiritual.

    #282765
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,11:41)
    Hi Jammin,
    Folks have been hanging their doctrinal hats on a verse or two forever.
    Shallow understandings trip the unwary and unspiritual.


    do not disturb us nick

    do your homework first.

    #282774
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Men have preached trinity gods but scripture does not.

    #282776
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,11:25)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,07:37)
    Hi Jammin,

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,
    that we may know HIM that is true, and we are in HIM that is true, even in HIS SON Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God , and eternal life.

    English sentence structure may yet be difficult for you.
    I have highlighted and colorized this verse for YOU, that way
    YOU can see who the pronouns “HIM” and “HIS” are refering to.

    The “Subject” of verse 20 (God) goes back to verse 18,
    so YOU can see the pronouns are about HIM (YHVH).

                         Here is the same verse in context

    1 John 5:18-21 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he
    that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
    19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20
    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that
    we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    the verse does not say that Christ is not the true GOD. john says that Christ is the true GOD.

    the father is the true GOD
    the son is also called the true GOD

    1 John 5:20

    Common English Bible (CEB)
    20 We know that God’s Son has come and has given us understanding to know the one who is true. We are in the one who is true by being in his Son, Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

    better luck next time


    Hi Jammin,

    Do you not see a “Period” between the two sentences that you are trying to make into one?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #282778
    jammin
    Participant

    i saw that. that is the proof that john is identifying Christ as the TRUE GOD!

    now read your opinion, that christ is not the true GOD in 1 john 5.20

    #282782
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2012,11:31)
    Ed,

    Good job and good post.


    Hi Mike, thank you!

    It seems Jammin is trying to change the rules of English grammar of Subject and Object.

    He is also trying to change a “Period” into a “comma”. Look at what he has highlighted.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #282783
    jammin
    Participant

    that is your illusion edj

    if i say

    for example,

    the apple is green. it is so delicious.

    it means the apple is so delicious.

    study hard mr dream boy.

    #282784
    jammin
    Participant

    do you have the form of man edj??

    are you a true man or a false man?

    #282787
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,11:41)
    Hi Jammin,
    Folks have been hanging their doctrinal hats on a verse or two forever.
    Shallow understandings trip the unwary and unspiritual.


    Yes Nick. This is the verse to which you refer…

    2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
    in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned
    and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #282788
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,11:49)
    Hi Jammin,
    Men have preached trinity gods but scripture does not.


    the topic here is about 1 john 5.20
    make your own thread

    #282792
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,12:00)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,11:41)
    Hi Jammin,
    Folks have been hanging their doctrinal hats on a verse or two forever.
    Shallow understandings trip the unwary and unspiritual.


    Yes Nick. This is the verse to which you refer…

    2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
    in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned
    and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    the verse is applicable to you mr dream boy

    answer my question.
    the pages are increasing. You should be ashamed of yourself!

    #282794
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Why would you offer one verse and expect us to take you seriously? 2 Cor 13.1

    #282797
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,11:58)
    do you have the form of man edj??

    are you a true man or a false man?


    Hi Jammin,

    Rev.3:21-22 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
    even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #282798
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Why increase your pages when so far you have said nothing?

    #282800
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,12:03)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,12:00)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,11:41)
    Hi Jammin,
    Folks have been hanging their doctrinal hats on a verse or two forever.
    Shallow understandings trip the unwary and unspiritual.


    Yes Nick. This is the verse to which you refer…

    2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
    in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned
    and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    the verse is applicable to you mr dream boy

    answer my question.
    the pages are increasing. You should be ashamed of yourself!


    What question?

    #282803
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,12:06)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,12:03)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,12:00)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,11:41)
    Hi Jammin,
    Folks have been hanging their doctrinal hats on a verse or two forever.
    Shallow understandings trip the unwary and unspiritual.


    Yes Nick. This is the verse to which you refer…

    2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
    in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned
    and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    the verse is applicable to you mr dream boy

    answer my question.
    the pages are increasing. You should be ashamed of yourself!


    What question?


    read in 1 john 5.20
    that john says that christ is not the true GOD.

    ill wait

    also, you have the nature of man. are you a true man or a false man?

    #282804
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,12:05)
    Hi Jammin,
    Why increase your pages when so far you have said nothing?


    bec you are not answering the question that is why the pages are increasing

    you should be ashamed of yourself!

    #282807
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    jammin, the Hebrew word “adam” refers to “mankind”.

    So yes, I am AN adam, but not THE Adam.

    There is only one true Adam, meaning only one first adam created by God. It does not mean we are “false adams”, but it means we are not the original one.

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