Jesus is either one or the other, but not both

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December 26, 2020 at 11:34 am#868372
Proclaimer
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Berean. …….Thought he was rich, can mean many things
Like he was rich, emptied himself and became poor. As a human, lower than the angels from the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.
December 26, 2020 at 11:38 am#868373
Proclaimer
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Gospel means good news. Gene’s doctrine is not good news.
December 26, 2020 at 11:38 am#868374
Proclaimer
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“His name is” God’s Holy Spirit’s name; not Jesus’ Christ’s name.
This is as clear as mud.
December 26, 2020 at 2:00 pm#868376
carmel
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Hi Gene,
YOU: Carmel…..So the words I will, mean the three will to you right? The three is “they” , the singular is “I” . But none of those said they were Jesus Christ,
Genesis 18:1 And the Lord appeared to him
in the vale of Mambre as he was sitting at the door of his tent, in the very heat of the day.
explain Gene:
WHO IS THIS LORD FOR YOU IN THE ABOVE?
2And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him
three men standing near him:
and as soon as he saw them he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and
adored down to the ground.
3And he said:
Lord, if I have found favour in thy sight,
EXPLAIN Gene:
WHO IS THIS LORD FOR YOU IN THE ABOVE DESPITE
THEY WERE THREE AND ABRAHAM ADDRESSED
ONE PERSON?
Cont.
pass not away from thy servant: 4But I will fetch a little water, and wash ye your feet, and rest ye under the tree. 5And I will set a morsel of bread,
and strengthen ye
YOUR HEART, SINGULAR:
TO WHOM THIS HEART BELONG???
OBVIOUS TO THE SAME LORD WHOM YOU STILL HAVE TO TELL ME
WHO HE IS???
Cont.
afterwards you shall pass on: for therefore are you come aside to your servant.
And THEY said: Do as thou hast spoken.
Gene DID THE THREE MEN ANSWERED TOGETHER,
WHY??? WHAT IS YOUR PERCEPTION???
ADDRESSING ONE PERSON AND THE THREE
ANSWERED?
IS IT A NORMAL PROCEDURE, AND WHERE IN SCRIPTURE WE MEET AGAIN SUCH CONVERSATION???
DESPITE ABRAHAM
ADDRESSED ONLY
ONE LORD?
WHOM YOU STILL HAVE TO TELL ME
WHO THIS LORD IS???
COMMIT YOURSELF Gene PLEASE!!!
DIDN’T YOU CHECK TO WHOM THE TITLE
LORD IS REFERRING TO???
YOU:Carmel…..So the words I will, mean the three will to you right?
The three is “they” , the singular is “I” . But none of those said they were Jesus Christ, that’s you false renditions again of what you trying to force our scriptures to say?
ME: DID I SAY SO Gene??? what made you think so???
ISN’T IT YOUR FALSE ASSUMPTION???
I SIMPLY ASKED QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS WHAT IT LOOKS RATHER CONFUSING, SIMPLY
TO HERE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. NO???
NOW, Gene, IN MY FIRST POST REGARDING Genesis 18, I ONLY POSTED
Genesis 18:1 to 5,
AND JUMPED ONTO
16 TO 18,
AND STOPPED ALTOGETHER!
HOW COME NOW YOU POSTED
AND REFERRED TO VERSES
11 TO 15 WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR FIRST POST WHICH WAS YOUR ANSWER TO MY FIRST POST IN THIS REGARD BUT YOU STILL SAID
YOU: “forcing our text to say what in fact it is not even hinting at”.
ME: THUS Gene,
WILL YOU BE DECENT ENOUGH, BE SPECIFIC AND SHOW ME WHERE I FORCED THE TEXT TO SAY WHAT IN FACT IT IS NOT EVEN HINTED AT
IN MY FIRST POST!!!
NOW BACK TO YOUR LAST POST AGAIN:
YOU:Carmel…..So the words I will, mean the three will to you right?
The three is “they” , the singular is “I”.
ME: WHERE DID I SAY SO Gene???
WHAT MADE YOU SAY SO???
I SIMPLY ASKED QUESTIONS TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY IN THIS RATHER CONFUSING CONVERSATION! NO???
IS IT NORMALLY IN SCRIPTURE TO READ SUCH CONFUSED CONVERSATION???
WHERE IN SCRIPTURE WE READ SOMETHING SIMILAR???
CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT YOU TAKE SCRIPTURE AS IT IS!
CONFUSING???
SAY SOMETHING Gene! WHAT CONCLUSIONS YOU HAVE IN MIND???
YOU: But none of those said they were Jesus Christ,
that’s you false renditions again of what you trying to force our scriptures to say?

ME: FOR GOD’S SAKE I AM NOT INTERESTED OF WHAT THE THREE MEN SAID, OR HAD TO SAY,
I AM INTERESTED ONLY OF WHAT THE SCRIPTURE, IN OUR CASE
IN RELATION TO WHAT ABRAHAM
ADDRESSED TO!!!
I MEAN WHEN HE CALLED AT LEAST
ONE OF THEM
LORD
WHOM YOU STILL HAVE TO TELL ME
WHO HE IS THIS LORD!!!
SOMETHING YOU DIDNT COMMIT YOURSELF TO, FOR A REASON ONLY YOU KNOW, WHICH DEFINITELY FOR YOU, WAS NOT SO COMFORTABLE TO DO SO UP TO NOW, AND
ALSO NOT SOMETHING BY WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE ENDED UP
RIGHT IN YOUR ARGUMENT!
DESPITE THEY WERE THREE, AND
THREE ANSWERED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD
ADDRESSED BY ABRAHAM!
YOU: Nowhere in scripture does it say those three that appeared to Abraham were
all God’s,
that is you “forcing our text to say what in fact it is not even hinting at”.
FIRST AND FOREMOST Gene,
IT IS YOU WHO ARE FORCING MY TEXT
TO SAY SOMETHING WHICH IN FACT IT IS NOT EVEN HINTED AT!
OR RATHER YOU ARE SIMPLY LYING SINCE
I NEVER USED THE WORD
GODS AT ALL
BUT TO ME WITHOUT FORCING THE TEXT FOR SURE
IT COULD WELL MEAN THAT THEY WERE ALL
THREE LORDS
AS MUCH AS
ONE LORD!!!
SINCE THE ANSWER WAS IN BOTH MANNERS, I MEAN SINGULAR AND PLURAL

NOW LET’S READ THE LAST BIT OF THIS
CONFUSED CONVERSATION! FOR YOU Gene THERE’S NO DOUBT!
Genesis 18:9And when THEY had eaten,
THEY said to him:
AGAIN THE THREE OF THEM SPOKE!
Where is Sara thy wife?
HE ANSWERED: LO, SHE IS IN THE TENT.
10And HE said to him:
BACK AGAIN TO THE LORD ??????????? AS ONE PERSON
I will return
and come to thee at this time, life accompanying and Sara thy wife shall have a son.
IN THE ABOVE
THIS MYSTERIOUS LORD, AGAIN FOR YOU Gene,
ON HIS OWN WOULD FOR SURE RETURN BACK TO SARA,
AND SHE SHALL HAVE A SON!!!!
ANOTHER MYSTERIOUS TASK BY
THIS MYSTERIOUS LORD!
THE FACT THAT WHAT IN ACTUAL FACT WOULD HAPPEN,
THERE WOULD NOT BE THE NEED FOR
THIS MYSTERIOUS LORD TO BE
THREE
IN ORDER
SIMPLY FOR SARA TO BE CONCEIVED AND GIVE BIRTH
TO ISAAC ALL IN ONE INSTANT
WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURE! NO???
WHICH MADE SARA INSANE WITH ASTONISHMENT TO THE EXTENT THAT SHE
LAUGHED
THE FACT THAT ABRAHAM, STRANGELY ENOUGH NOT
SARA AS NORMALLY WOMEN DO GIVE NAMES TO THEIR CHILD,
NAMED HIM ISAAK!!!
The name Isaac: Summary
Meaning
Laughter, He Will Laugh
Etymology
From the verbs צחק (sahaq) and שחק (sahaq), to laugh or make fun.
NOW Gene, READ HEREUNDER IN RELATION TO WHAT HAPPENED
WHEN THIS MYSTERIOUS LORD VISITED
MYSTERIOUSLY SARA!
Genesis 21:1And the Lord visited Sara, as he had promised:
and fulfilled what he had spoken.
Gene, WHAT HE FULFILLED ON THE DAY OF HIS
MYSTERIOUS VISIT ???
2And she conceived and bore a son in her old age,
at the time that God had foretold her.
DID YOU GET IT Gene????
GOD FORETOLD SARA!
WHO IS THIS RATHER. FOR THE FIRST TIME OF WHOM SCRIPTURE MADE CLEAR
THAT HE WAS IN ACTUAL FACT
GOD
BOTH ONE LORD AND
ALSO THREE
IN RELATION TO THE
CONFUSED CONVERSATION IN GENESIS 18?????
KEEEP IN MIND THAT
NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME AND LIVE!
THER’S ONLY
ONE LORD AND GOD Gene!
OUR LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST!
ONLY HIM HUMANS CAN SEE AND LIVE,
IN THE SAME WAY, ABRAHAM DID SEE AND WAS GLAD TO BECOME A FATHER WITHOUT INTERCOURSE WITH SARA:
John8:56 Abraham your father rejoiced that he might see my day:
he saw it, and was glad.
BACK TO Genesis 21:
3And Abraham called the name of his son, whom Sara bore him, Isaac.
NOT SARA NAMED HIM, SIMPLY AS SHE NEVER WAS PREGNANT WITH ISAAK AT ALL!
SHE HAD NO AUTHORITY AS MOTHER OVER ISAAK!
4And he circumcised him the eighth day, as God had commanded him, 5When he was a hundred years old: for at this age of his father was Isaac born. 6And Sara said:
God hath made a laughter for me:
WHY LAUGHTER??? GOD SIMPLY SHOWED SARA THAT
HE DOESN’T NEED A WOMAN AND THE SEXUAL PROCESS AT ALL TO GIVE BIRTH, GOD MADE FUN OF SARA AND TO FEEL USELESS, CHILDISH, AND AT THE SAME TIME
BLESSED, AS A WOMAN
צחק  שחק
The verbs צחק (sahaq) and שחק (sahaq) are probably two different written forms of the same verbal verb: both mean
to laugh, to express joy or delight, to have fun, to sport, to play, to fool around, to deride, to mock, and so on.
whosoever shall hear of it
will laugh with me.
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO
GOD’S OWN WORK
IT IS HIS SPIRIT
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN!!!
7And again she said: Who would believe that Abraham should hear that Sara gave suck to a son,
SHE NEVER GAVE BIRTH AS WOMEN NORMALLY DO!
BUT SHE GAVE SUCK TO ISAAK
AS WOMEN NORMALLY DO!
whom she bore to him in his old age.
IN HIS USELESS AGE!
ALL GOD’S OWN WORK SIMPLY SO
ISAAK , OR RATHER
JESUS, THE SON OF MAN AS A SPIRIT, PRE-EXISTED EMBODIED IN ISAAK, WOULD BE
THE BEGINNING!!!
AND MAINTAIN HIS PRIMACY
OF THE
ETERNAL COVENANT
PERFECT WITHOUT THE LEAST SPECK OF SATAN’S
MEDDLING,
SINCE IT IS
ETERNAL!!!
AND HUMANS ARE MORTAL
Gene, ENJOY IN YOUR ANSWER WITH YOUR NORMAL
BLA, BLA, and BLA
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
December 26, 2020 at 6:23 pm#868378
Ed J
Participant
This is as clear as mud.
Hi Proclaimer,
The HolySpirit’s name is “The Word”
December 26, 2020 at 6:26 pm#868379
Ed J
Participant
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt 28:19)
the name of the Father – JEHOVAH
the name of the Son – Jesus
the name of the Holy Spirit – The Word
“But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them” (Isaiah 63:10 )
December 27, 2020 at 12:34 am#868380
carmel
Participant
Hi Edj,
FIRST AND FOREMOST
ALL THE BEST TO YOU AND TO ALL THOSE ON HEAVEN NET!
YOU: the name of the Son – Jesus
ME: HUMBLY SPEAKING IT’S NOT YOUR FAVOURITE SINCE IT IS LONG, BUT
THE LOVE FOR GOD’S TRUTH MAKES YOU GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF IT!
WHETHER YOU ACCEPT IT OR NOT, FROM MY SIDE, IT IS
THE TRUTH AS IT WAS REVEALED TO ME BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THAT I AM SUBJECT TO THIS
MORTAL CORRUPTED FLESH BODY, THE ENEMY OF GOD ON EARTH!

WHEN IN SCRIPTURE WE MEET THE TITLE
“THE SON”,
IT IS NOT JUST
JESUS, THE MAN!!!
CARNAL!!!
JESUS IS THE NAME BOTH OF
THE SON OF MAN “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS’ DIVINE NATURE, IN
JESUS FLESH BODY,
ANNOUNCED PURPOSELY IN A DREAM, EARTHLY, BY
GABRIEL TO JOSEPH!
AND ALSO THE NAME OF
THE HOLY GHOST, THE SON OF GOD, JESUS’ DIVINE NATURE, IN
JESUS’SOUL!
SPIRITUAL!!!
ANNOUNCED DIRECTLY FROM HEAVEN BY
GABRIEL TO MARY
THE MOTHER OF ALL SOULS!
FROM THE CROSS BY JESUS!
Luke 1:35…..And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called
the Son of God.
SIMPLY TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN, WITH
A FLESH BODY, AND WITH A SOUL,
ALL DIVINE!!!
CONFIRMED IN SCRIPTURE!
TWO IN ONE FLESH
SEPARATED ON HIS BIRTH
LIKE HUMANS ARE, AND
UNITED ON HIS DEATH
“THE WORD” JESUS
THE SON/DIVINE OF MAN,
BOTH AS ONE IN
CHRIST,
LIKE HUMANS WOULD EVENTUALLY BE:
WE WILL BE LIKE ONTO HIM AS WE SEE HIM AS HE IS!
SCRIPTURE:
ACTS 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know
most certainly,
that God hath made
both LORD and CHRIST,
this SAME Jesus,
A CLEAR REFERENCE TO “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS’DIVINE NATURE!
whom you have crucified.
BY WHICH DEED
THE HOLY GHOST, IN JESUS’SOUL ACQUIRED
JESUS’FLESH BODY, in the same way, JESUS’ THE SON OF MAN ACQUIRED EQUIVALENTLY
THE HOLY GHOST!
ONE SUBSTANCE
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH
JESUS CHRIST FROM THEN ON
MANIFESTED HIMSELF ON EARTH IN ONE INSTANT BOTH
VISIBLE IN FLESH, without losing His
INVISIBLE SPIRITUAL STATE!
UNIQUE GODMAN!!!
ATTENTION Edj,
ATTRIBUTED TO THE
SON!!! INSTANTLY ON JESUS’ DEATH,
ONE SUBSTANCE! I REPEAT:
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH IN
CHRIST!!!

MOST POWERFUL EVER!
JESUS CHRIST, WAS TAKEN BY SATAN,
WHO WAS SIMPLY KEPT ALIVE BY CHRIST
ETERNAL LIFE
IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH HIS/SATAN’S
PROCEDURE IN HELL, AND HE HIMSELF
PROCLAIMED JESUS BOTH
ETERNAL LIFE, FOR ALL THOSE IN HELL,
GODMAN
IN FLESH
MOSES BURNING BUSH AND NOT CONSUMED!!!
PRECISELY IN HELL IN FRONT OF HIS ASSOCIATES!
BY WHICH ACT GOD THE FATHER FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME,
AS/IN CHRIST
WAS KNOWN AND ACCEPTED
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
Scripture: John 20:28 Thomas answered, and said to him:
My Lord, and my God.
THE ABOVE IS A REFERENCE TO WHAT HAPPENED IN HELL,
MORE DETAIL AVAILABLE THANKS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO FURNISHES ME WITH ALL THIS DESPITE A
SINNER, AND A MERE UNQUALIFIED TRADE MAN!
SIMPLY A HOUSEHOLDER AND A
SCRIBE IN THE WORK OF GODS KINGDOM!
Matthew 13: 52 He said unto them: Therefore every scribe instructed in the kingdom of heaven, is like to a man that is a householder, who bringeth forth out of his treasure
new things and old.
Now to:
Mark 1:8 I have baptized you with water;
THE WATER IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO
THE HOLY SPIRIT
FROM THE FATHER, NOT FROM THE SON, THE FACT THAT JOHN WAS SENT BY
THE FATHER!
BY WHICH DEED
JOHN CAST OUT SATAN FROM HUMAN SOUL/HEART! TEMPORARY, IN ORDER, TO ACCEPT
JESUS’GOSPEL!
…but he
shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
GLORIFIED IN “THE WORD: JESUS’FLESH AND BLOOD ON THE CROSS AND VICE VERSA! John13:32-33
NOW THE
HE
IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO THE HUMAN BEING,
JESUS, IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN IN HIS
FLESH AND HIS SOUL
NOT YET GLORIFIED UNITED ONE SUBSTANCE IN
CHRIST!
SCRIPTURE:
John20:21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you.
As the Father hath
SENT ME,
A CLEAR REFERENCE TO HIS STATE
IN THE SPIRIT,
THE SPIRITUAL ETERNAL COVENANT!
THE NEW TESTAMENT,
I also send you.
THOUGH HUMANS EX SATANIC,
IN THE PROCESS OF THE SPIRITUAL CHURCH OF GOD,
THE BRIDE TO BE, THE NEW JERUSALEM TO BE.
THE NEW SPIRITUAL/FLESH BODY TO BE,
DIRECTLY FROM THE FATHER,
WHEN THE FATHER GOD ALMIGHTY IS EMBODIED
ALL IN ALL IN
JESUS CHRIST BODY. AND JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF AS A SPIRIT RETURN BACK TO HIS ORIGINAL STATE IN
THE FATHER’S BOSOM!
AS HE ETERNALLY WAS
IN ONE GLORY WITH THE FATHER,
BEFORE CREATION STARTED!
1Corinthians 15:38 But God
giveth it a body as he will:
AS MUCH AS
JESUS’ FLESH, THE RANSOM, WAS PROVIDED BY THE FATHER, by his own
WORD IN
“THE WORD” MADE FLESH,
AFTER JESUS,
THE SON OF GOD OF THE HOLY GHOST CAME OUT OF MARY AS A
SPIRIT: sent by the Father!
THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD FULLY LUMINOUS,
IN THE SAME WAY
ISAAK WAS BORN THROUGH SARA!
totally of GOD! and NOTHING OF EARTH!
THE BEGINNING
OF THE NEW ETERNAL SPIRITUAL/FLESHCOVENANT.
NOW BACK TO:
John20:22 When he had said this,
he breathed on them; and he said to them:
Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
ATTRIBUTED TO
THE SON!!! GLORIFIED
BOTH “THE WORD” and THE HOLY GHOST, ONE SUBSTANCE IN
CHRIST JESUS.
SCRIPTURE:
John5:25 Amen, amen I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear
the voice of
(A) the Son of God,
Edj, THE VOICE OF GOD IS
THE HOLY GHOST
NOT “THE WORD” OF GOD
PRECISELY HEARD IN HELL PREACHING HIS/JESUS’ GOSPEL OF
THE SON/DIVINE OF MAN!
and they that hear shall live.
THUS WERE TAKEN BY JESUS CHRIST TO HEAVEN AND WERE PRESENTED
AS THE FRUIT OF “THE WORD” JESUS’FLESH BODY, THE RANSOM; TO
THE FATHER! THE PROVIDER!
26For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given
the Son
NOT JUST THE HOLY GHOST, THE SON OF GOD, OK??? BUT ALSO “THE WORD”
THE SON OF MAN!
ETERNAL LIFE!!!
AGAIN ONCE UNITED WITH THE LIFE GIVEN SPIRIT,
THE HOLY GHOST, READ:
also to have life in himself: 27And he hath given him power to do judgment,
ATTENTION PLEASE:
because he is
(ALSO)
(B) the Son of man.
GLORIFIED ONE SUBSTANCE IN
CHRIST John13:31-32, John17:1
GODMAN IN
HELL, on
EARTH, and in
HEAVEN
ON THE RIGHT AND OF GOD THE FATHER!!!
ACTS 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost,
looking up steadfastly to heaven,
saw the glory of God,
and Jesus standing on the right hand of God.
UNITED IN ONE SAME GLORY
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be,
which shall go forth from my mouth:
it shall not return to me
void,
but it shall do whatsoever I please, and
shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.
HOW???
reflect: “THE WORD” LEFT THE FATHER’S MOUTH AS A SPIRIT!!!
let there be light!
NOW IN ORDER NOT TO RETURN VOID,
“THE WORD”
RETAINED HIS ORIGINAL SPIRIT,
ETERNAL LIFE!
IN ALL THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE’S HEART/SOUL
ETERNALLY AT ALL COSTS!!!
PROSPERRING ON EARTH!!!
AND ALSO RETURNED TO THE FATHER IN BOTH
SPIRIT AND FLESH! IN
CHRIST
THE FATHER’S BODY YET TO BE!!!
Genesis 2:24Wherefore a man shall leave
father and mother,
and shall cleave to
his wife:
and they shall be
two in one flesh.
I LEAVE IT TO YOU TO DISCERN
WHO THE CHARACTERS ARE ALSO SPIRITUAL IN THE ABOVE
NOT JUST FLESH IN ADAM, AND EVE!

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

December 27, 2020 at 5:04 am#868382
GeneBalthrop
Participant
Proclaimer. …..show me where what I am saying is not GOOD NEWS, I TIE OUR HUMAN IDENITY “EXACTLY WITH THE MAN JESUS’, how is thats not GOOD NEWS.
Your GOSPEL is bad news, because it pushes Jesus’ human IDENITY AWAY FROM HIS human BROTHERS AND SISTER, you remove him from the human race and try to place him some where else, which you by the way you don’t even know were. You have quite the nerve saying what I say is bad news.
I find what you said about me both Demning and Offensive. Bad Form Proclaimer?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
December 27, 2020 at 7:46 am#868383
Berean
Participant
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of peace.
Wonderful
6382
peh’-leh
from ‘pala’ ‘(6381); a miracle: – wonderful thing, wonder (-ful, -fully).
*******
Judges 13:18
And the angel of Jehovah said unto him, Why askest thou my name thus, for it is secret
6383
pil’iy
pil-ee ‘
or paliy1 {paw-lee ‘}; from ‘pala’ ‘(6381); remarkable: – secret, wonderful.
The Angel of YAHVEH IS THE SON OF GOD.
December 27, 2020 at 9:09 am#868384
Proclaimer
Participant
Hi Proclaimer,
The HolySpirit’s name is “The Word”
What is the Sword of the Spirit then?
December 27, 2020 at 9:39 am#868386
Proclaimer
Participant
The Gospel according to Gene
Proclaimer. …..show me where what I am saying is not GOOD NEWS,
Example 1
A man follows and loves God his whole life. But he denies God on the last day of his life and tells him in no uncertain terms that he does not want God in his life ever again. He dies and is eternally cut off from God. On Judgement Day, he makes the argument that he had no free will, so why should he suffer for choices that he had no control over. God said too bad. That is the way it is, ask Gene. Possible and likely to happen if Gene is correct.
– The gospel according to Gene.
Example 2)
God didn’t pay the highest price for us. He didn’t send his firstborn into the world from Heaven. In fact, we do not know who the first born actually is. The first to be with God is a mystery. Instead, God whipped up a man descended from Adam and turned him into the lamb to be sacrificed. He decided to exalt that guy to the highest position as a result. If that dude failed, then God could easily whip up another dude. But of course, no free will meant that he had no choice anyway, so he just followed God’s program as an autonomous robot and then he gets the highest reward possible.
– The Gospel according to Gene.
Example 3
The way to interpret scripture is to basically take an opposite meaning to what the clear text says. If it says that Jesus went to the Father in the glory he had with him before the cosmos, it means that he didn’t return to the glory he had because he wasn’t with the Father in the beginning. This little trick has meant that all who earnestly seek God and truth are not able to cypher this code in scripture. In fact, only Gene, Jodi, and a few others ever understood that you need to take the opposite meaning of what is written. This is bad news for the vast majority of people who honestly seek God and truth. They are at risk of not having salvation because they believed what the text actually said, thus are deceived.
– The Gospel according to Gene.
Example 4
Gene has the truth, but nearly every other Believer on the planet does not. However, they cannot hear Gene because they have no free will. So they cannot choose to hear him. They are condemned because they rejected the truth. This is by design.
– The Gospel according to Gene.
Example 5
Heaven is like a computer program. No one really has a choice. It is a program that plays out. It seems that only Gene and Jodi have the truth. They didn’t even choose this position, but their captivated will forced them to be the only true teachers in almost all the Earth. Nevertheless, they will be honored for their great service despite them not even choosing all this. They will happily take this of course. When they preach their gospel to others, if they are honest, they will point out that the hearer has a 0.000000001% chance of their captivated will leading them to the truth anyway. So no point in preaching the gospel. In reality, it has nothing to do with preaching the message and people choosing to believe and respond accordingly anyway. Rather it is about captivated wills and whether they lead us to the truth. In 99.9999999% of cases, their captivated wills will not lead them to the truth and will be condemned for not having the truth.
– The Gospel according to Gene.
December 27, 2020 at 10:33 am#868387
Proclaimer
Participant
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt 28:19)
the name of the Father – JEHOVAH
the name of the Son – Jesus
the name of the Holy Spirit – The Word
Encyclopedia Britannia, the 11th edition vol 3, page 365-366
“The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son and Holy Ghost by the Catholic church in the second century.
Encyclopedia Britannia, vol 3, page 82
“Everywhere in the oldest sources it states that baptism took place in the name of Jesus Christ.”
Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53
The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century.
Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume2
Christian baptism was administered using the words, “in the name of Jesus”. page 377.
The use of the trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in the early Church’s history.page 378
“Go ye therefore and teach all nations, in my name” … the latter form being the more frequent.page 380.
Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until time of Justin Martyr, when the triune formula was used. page 389.
Catholic Encyclopedia, vol 2, page 377,
Catholics acknowledge that baptism in Jesus’ name was changed by the Catholic church.
Schaff-Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435
The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.
Hastings Dictionary of Bible, page 88
It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ, or Lord Jesus.
The Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53 states,
The early Church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the development of the trinity doctrine in the 2nd Century.
December 27, 2020 at 10:36 am#868388
Proclaimer
Participant
Your GOSPEL is bad news, because it pushes Jesus’ human IDENITY AWAY FROM HIS human BROTHERS AND SISTER, you remove him from the human race and try to place him some where else, which you by the way you don’t even know were. You have quite the nerve saying what I say is bad news.
This is a blatant lie. We have told you repeatedly that he emptied himself and came in the flesh. He was a baby and had to learn obedience just like us. Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
You should apologize Gene. But we know what manner of man you are right?
December 27, 2020 at 2:46 pm#868391
GeneBalthrop
Participant
Proclaimer. …..example 1….. that simply not true , if God has taken out of a person the heart of stone and replaced it with a heart of Flesh, then he has changed that person and the way he or she thinks,
Your ot g er example are just like it also, your self willed salvation is nothing more then a lie, scripture tell us ‘”ther is none that calls on the name of the Lord” , and again “there is non rightious no not even one”, but you say you are because you say by your own so-called “freewill” you can manage to save yourself even though no, one else can according to scriptures.
No, what you are saying is a blatant lie, by Your belief of a “freewill” salvation created by yourself that’s one of the biggest lies anyone could ever believe in. It deals God the Father and Jesus Christ complete out of anything that has to do with our salvation, and turns it all over to ourselves. Over to our own, so-called “freewill” choices. YOUR MAN MADE SALVATION BY ‘FREEWILLS” IS a total LIE, and corruption of our scriptures, as far away from the truth a person can get. IMO
You don’t even believe that it is God himself that gives us the Faith , to even believe in him and Jesus. None of that came from a man “so-called “freewill”. But from the will of God working in all those called by him. Salvation is a work of God and God alone Proclaimer. There is nothing bad about that Gospel , it’s your gospel that’s bad, because it destory’s the work of God and Jesus in humanity, and makes it all about a “random” “access” salvation, that is acquire by the person, him or herself. Now that’s what I call bad news.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

December 27, 2020 at 4:10 pm#868392
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Proclaimer. …..example 1….. that simply not true , if God has taken out of a person the heart of stone and replaced it with a heart of Flesh, then he has changed that person and the way he or she thinks,
Did they choose to receive this salvation or was it a captivated will as you say?
The change of heart still requires the ability to choose the new heart.
December 27, 2020 at 4:23 pm#868393
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Your ot g er example are just like it also, your self willed salvation is nothing more then a lie, scripture tell us ‘”ther is none that calls on the name of the Lord” , and again “there is non rightious no not even one”, but you say you are because you say by your own so-called “freewill” you can manage to save yourself even though no, one else can according to scriptures.
Seriously Gene, this is one of the worst posts I have read. It reveals a man with very little understanding of biblical things. It’s right up there with saying the earth is flat because it looks like that when you look at a football field.
You are way out of your depth. It’s time to find out God’s will for your life.
December 27, 2020 at 4:26 pm#868394
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Gene, when a man continually resists truth, God hands him over to delusion. So deluded can a man be that even though he is a fool, he actually thinks he is wise.
December 27, 2020 at 5:34 pm#868395
Ed J
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Hi Proclaimer,
The HolySpirit’s name is “The Word”
Q. What is the Sword of the Spirit then?
A. The Word
December 27, 2020 at 5:38 pm#868396
Ed J
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What is the Sword of the Spirit then?
Proclaimer,
What is the sword that comes out of the rider on the white horse’s mouth?
December 27, 2020 at 5:41 pm#868397
GeneBalthrop
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Proclaimer. ….perhaps that exactly what has happened to you, did you ever think about that?
I know God ‘s “will” for my life, and it isn’t me saving myself by my own so-called “freewill” choices, as your is. God “works ” “in” those he is with, by taking out of them the heart of stone and giving them a heart of flesh, and writing on their hearts his law’s AND COMMANDMENTS, and even giving them the “FAITH” to even believe him and Jesus, THATS HOW TRUE BELIEVERS ARE SAVED , No one will ever get up in God’s face and say as you do, to him “his own so-called , “freewill”, was what saved him.
Youŕ so-called “freewill” salvation is a joke at best, if you ask me. Because no such thing exists. Nor ever did exist either. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
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A dichotomy

Jesus is either the Son of God or is God.

If he is both, then he must be the Son of himself.

Genesis 18:1 And the Lord appeared to him

WHO IS THIS LORD FOR YOU IN THE ABOVE?

three men standing near him:

adored down to the ground.

Lord, if I have found favour in thy sight,

WHO IS THIS LORD FOR YOU IN THE ABOVE DESPITE

THEY WERE THREE AND ABRAHAM ADDRESSED

ONE PERSON?

and strengthen ye

YOUR HEART, SINGULAR:

TO WHOM THIS HEART BELONG???

WHO HE IS???

And THEY said: Do as thou hast spoken.

Gene DID THE THREE MEN ANSWERED TOGETHER,

ADDRESSING ONE PERSON AND THE THREE

ANSWERED?

IS IT A NORMAL PROCEDURE, AND WHERE IN SCRIPTURE WE MEET AGAIN SUCH CONVERSATION???

ADDRESSED ONLY

ONE LORD?

WHO THIS LORD IS???

COMMIT YOURSELF Gene PLEASE!!!

LORD IS REFERRING TO???

ME: DID I SAY SO Gene??? what made you think so???

ISN’T IT YOUR FALSE ASSUMPTION???

TO HERE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. NO???

Genesis 18:1 to 5,

16 TO 18,

AND STOPPED ALTOGETHER!

11 TO 15 WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR FIRST POST WHICH WAS YOUR ANSWER TO MY FIRST POST IN THIS REGARD BUT YOU STILL SAID

YOU: “forcing our text to say what in fact it is not even hinting at”.

IN MY FIRST POST!!!

YOU:Carmel…..So the words I will, mean the three will to you right?

ME: WHERE DID I SAY SO Gene???

WHAT MADE YOU SAY SO???

CONFUSING???

YOU: But none of those said they were Jesus Christ,

ADDRESSED TO!!!

I MEAN WHEN HE CALLED AT LEAST

ONE OF THEM

LORD

WHO HE IS THIS LORD!!!

RIGHT IN YOUR ARGUMENT!

THREE ANSWERED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD

ADDRESSED BY ABRAHAM!

YOU: Nowhere in scripture does it say those three that appeared to Abraham were

all God’s,

IT IS YOU WHO ARE FORCING MY TEXT

GODS AT ALL

BUT TO ME WITHOUT FORCING THE TEXT FOR SURE

IT COULD WELL MEAN THAT THEY WERE ALL

THREE LORDS

AS MUCH AS

ONE LORD!!!

CONFUSED CONVERSATION! FOR YOU Gene THERE’S NO DOUBT!

Genesis 18:9And when THEY had eaten,

THEY said to him:

AGAIN THE THREE OF THEM SPOKE!

HE ANSWERED: LO, SHE IS IN THE TENT.

10And HE said to him:

BACK AGAIN TO THE LORD ??????????? AS ONE PERSON

I will return

ON HIS OWN WOULD FOR SURE RETURN BACK TO SARA,

AND SHE SHALL HAVE A SON!!!!

THIS MYSTERIOUS LORD!

THIS MYSTERIOUS LORD TO BE

THREE

IN ORDER

SIMPLY FOR SARA TO BE CONCEIVED AND GIVE BIRTH

TO ISAAC ALL IN ONE INSTANT

WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURE! NO???

LAUGHED

NAMED HIM ISAAK!!!

The name Isaac: Summary

NOW Gene, READ HEREUNDER IN RELATION TO WHAT HAPPENED

WHEN THIS MYSTERIOUS LORD VISITED

MYSTERIOUSLY SARA!