Home Questions & Answers Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth? Page 1,174

Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

, , Questions & Answers, , , , , 25,920
Baby Jesus

It seems that most who call themselves Christian belong to one of two camps. Jesus is either God or a mere created man. This debate has been raging since the days of Athanasius of Alexandria and Arius.

What the does the Bible say? Well it is quite clear on who Jesus is and his origin. Let’s take a look at what is written.

Scripture says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and when Jesus returns, his name is called ‘The Word of God’.  (John 1 & Revelation 19:13)

It says that God created all things through THE WORD and nothing was created without him. (John 1:3)

It says that the universe was created through THE SON and he is before all things. (Colossians 1:15-17)

It says that all things were created through JESUS CHRIST. (Hebrews 2:9)

This is what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, the son of the living God, the one named: ‘The Word of God’ who was with God in the beginning.

He emptied himself, took upon himself our nature, was obedient to his God and our God, died for our sins as it is written, and is now in the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.

Jesus is not God in the flesh, rather the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us. He was with God in the beginning. He was the first to be with God.

Viewing 20 posts - 23,461 through 23,480 (of 25,921 total)
123…1,1731,1741,175…1,2951,2961,297
  • Author
    Posts
  • November 23, 2022 at 4:49 am#938722
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi All,

    As I just posted yesterday in “The Word, Titus 1:2 and 1 John 1:1-2” thread,

    In Rev 19 we are given the word of God from OT prophecy that speaks to a future ruler and we are told there is a name written and we are told that name is called the word of God and then we are given more of the word of God of OT prophecy of this future ruler and then we are given the name that is WRITTEN, which is King of kings and Lord of lords.

    The NAME that IS WRITTEN is King of kings and Lord of lords and that name is called the word of God as it is the word of God spoken by the prophets.

    Don’t interpret verse 13 fully ignoring the surrounding text so it can then fit your doctrine.

    Jesus Christ’s name that is written is King of kings and Lord of lords and that name is itself the word of God, that is exactly what John is directly giving us in Rev 19, God’s word told by the prophets of an anointed man who would be a ruler, a King of kings and a Lord of lords over all the earth, such will take fulfillment when we see the Son of Man returning in our Father’s glory.

    November 23, 2022 at 6:55 am#938723
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi all

    And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
    [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
    [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
    [14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
    [15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
    [16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS 

    Me

    The names, titles, and qualifiers of the Son of God as you have noticed are numerous…

    Here in Revelation 19 we have some very appropriate ones that have been challenged by the devil because he wants to be worshiped as the God of this world.(thé devil)

    “THE WORD OF GOD” IS SIMPLY ONE OF THESE NAMES ATTRIBUTED TO THE DIVINE SON OF GOD.

    This is supported in Hebrews 1:3:

    Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

    ….CHRIST UPHOLD ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER….

    John 1:,3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 

    BY WHAT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE ???

    BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER…. 

     

    his name is called The Word of God….

    Do you see the reason now?

    November 23, 2022 at 7:49 am#938724
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Berean,

    John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

    John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

    It’s not Jesus Christ’s word, it is God’s word. It is not Jesus Christ’s power, it is God’s power. 

    Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power…36 And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out.

    John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
    15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

    Let’s keep reading in Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
    23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    Berean, it was by YHVH’s word spoken by the prophets, it was according to YHVH’s plan, that Jesus went to the cross. Jesus preached YHVH’s word concerning himself about him being lifted up on the cross and Jesus went to the cross obeying YHVH. Jesus did so through being anointed of the Spirit without measure, the Spirit of wisdom, understanding, council and might, knowledge and fear of YHVH that Jesus went to the cross. He obeyed as he had been called to righteousness for to be a light, to fulfill YHVH’s covenant.

    1. Jesus’s anointing was YHVH’s word made true.
    2. By that anointing of the Spirit Jesus spoke YHVH’s words, not his own and much of that word of YHVH that he spoke concerned himself and those words were promises that YHVH declared before the world even began, what this man Jesus would accomplish through YHVH’s Spirit dwelling in him.
    3. A man is returning in our Father’s glory whereby the Spirit living in him he is going to fulfill YHVH’s day destroying the wicked and giving eternal life to the righteous establishing a new and eternal earth. Nothing would have been made that was made by YHVH without this man and what he would accomplish through YHVH’s Spirit, all things were created by reason of and for Jesus Christ (anointed of the Spirit, anointed to judge the world in righteousness, not by his own eyes and ears, but through the Spirit of YHVH that lives in him).
    4. The name written is a King of kings and a Lord of lords which Jesus is such over the new earth according to YHVH’s word of prophecy and by His power that enables Him to make His word come true.

     

    November 23, 2022 at 12:39 pm#938839
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Proclaimer and All……..So from that prespective, there are thousands of people named Gene right., are they also me, because after all we do have the same name right? No they are not , nor do they speak my words.

    But if I said the gene who posts on Heaven Net, then it would be you.

    Likewise, all things came through The Word that was WITH God.

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

    And all things were created through Jesus the Son of God, Lord, and Christ.

    But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
    In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered.

    The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
    For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities.
    All things were created through Him and for Him

    yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

    And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

    Looks like the same agent to me. If all things came through two sources, then the Word and Jesus the Son of God would be the two and you might have an argument here. But all things came through one agent, that is The Word of God, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the beginning of the creation of God. Same person. Further, the Word in the beginning was WITH God. So we see much corroborating evidence and proof.

    And in case you doubt this clear evidence and scriptural proof, then you have to contend with this huge support verse.

    And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

    So he is back where he came from in the beginning which clearly shows that as he is at the right hand of God, so he was as the Word that was WITH God.

    Of course, I know you guys have an answer for all this, but they just look like excuses. It’s as if you guys don’t want to believe this and have manufactured the best excuses to get around it. But for those who do not have a bias here, we can see these excuses for what they are. We can also see that the scripture is clear on this subject.

    As usual we are free to believe or not. I choose to believe. God sent his best. His firstborn. He sent the one whom he made all things through, to also be the vessel for our salvation. It is God who created all things and God who saved us, but he did it through his Son.

    Jesus is the mystery that has been revealed in our time. Maybe it is time to get up to date with revelation?

    November 23, 2022 at 12:49 pm#938840
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Ask yourself this.

    Did God create all things through:

    1. The Logos, or
    2. Jesus, the son of God, the Lord, and the Christ.

    If both are true as it is written, then the no2 option (Jesus) would have to be CALLED ‘The Word of God’ and wouldn’t you know it, he is indeed called that name.

    His name is called THE WORD OF GOD. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.

    Maybe it is time to consider that we are talking about the mystery of God revealed in this time, that God sent the one that was with him from the beginning to be the one that would die for us to give us salvation. God spared no expense when he purchased us. Whereas, you guys would have us believe that God sent a manufactured Son for this purpose. No real cost with that option when you think about it. But God is not cheap. He doesn’t send us a fake or knockoff. He sent the real deal, the Son of the Living God, the firstborn of all creation.

    The scriptures are very clear about this. Are you guys suggesting that it’s just an unfortunate coincidence in scripture that this all fits and does so to even deceive the best of us, (those who study the scriptures). Of course not. Rather, it fits because it is the truth and this revelation is intentional and intended for those who have ears to hear.

    Jesus Christ the Lord is the Word of God.

    November 23, 2022 at 9:16 pm#938853
    Berean
    Participant

    Amen Proclaimer,

    I fully agree with what you wrote above.

    November 24, 2022 at 4:47 am#938854
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer……..Your trip word is the word “through” and “by”   It comes from the Greek word “dia”,  which carries a completely different sense  then the English words do, you see it as meaning thats how the world and everythibg was actually created by,  but the Greek word “Dia” carries a difference sense, it carries the idea,  of the “reason for” something being done.  Or the “cause”  or channel “through” which something is done.  

    Jesus plainly said he himself could do “nothing of himslf” , so how could he have ever created anything.  I could say more, but i don’t want to move off this subject yet, about the word “DIA”  in the greek, because that word is your and others trip point.  

    Found this on the internet,  ……What does “Dia”  mean in the bible?

    The answer given was this …….the ground or reason by which something is or is not done.  you see it is the ” REASON” for something is done.  It dosen’t mean that person done it as you and others falsely believe. ,  Jesus was the “reason” God alone created everything,  He was God’s intent when he first started the human crwation, even befor the world began, it was the very “reason” God created mankind in the first place. 

    Peace and love to you and your Proclaimer……….gene

     

     

     

    November 24, 2022 at 9:50 am#938855
    Berean
    Participant

     

    John 1:3
    3
    panta di autou egeneto : All things were made by him

    👇

    kai cwriV autou egeneto oude en o gegonen
    and without him was not any thing made that was made. 

    WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE 

    Here👆 THERE IS NO DIA”

    HIM 👉 MAKE REFERENCE TO THE SON OF GOD

     

    November 24, 2022 at 1:15 pm#938856
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Proclaimer……..Your trip word is the word “through” and “by” It comes from the Greek word “dia”, which carries a completely different sense then the English words do, you see it as meaning thats how the world and everythibg was actually created by, but the Greek word “Dia” carries a difference sense, it carries the idea, of the “reason for” something being done. Or the “cause” or channel “through” which something is done.

    If he is the reason, then fine. God created all things because of him. He was with God in the beginning, God created all things for him, and when his creation fell (man), he used Jesus to redeem creation back to God too. So he sent the one from the beginning into the world to take on flesh, he died for us, was resurrected, and is seated at the right hand of God, the position he had with God before the cosmos.

    because in Him were created all things in the heavens and upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and unto Him.

    So if all things were created because of him, then they are also for him.

    None of this negates him being with God before the cosmos. You guys keep adding in words like ‘memory’ etc. But the scriptures speak of him of being with God in the beginning and not as a memory of him to come or otherwise.

    Scripture even tells us that he is back in the glory he had with God before the cosmos. You have whittled that away to somehow mean that he was simply a memory in the beginning. But that is not what it actually says. Show me the word memory in such verses?

    When you add words to anything, you can maliciously change it to whatever you want.

    I think it is awesome that God sent his firstborn into our world to live as us in order to save us. This is the gospel.

    November 24, 2022 at 8:47 pm#938857
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    YOU: Jesus plainly said he himself could do “nothing of himslf” , so how could he have ever created anything.

    ME: Gene You keep on repeating the same reasoning that JESUS COULD DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, But your carnal reasoning with every respect is so corrupted that you never see the other side of Jesus’ own words.

    Answer please:

    COULD THE FATHER HIMSELF COME ON EARTH AS A HUMAN AND DO WHAT JESUS DID EVEN DIE?

    YES OR NO PLEASE!

     

    YOU: I could say more, but i don’t want to move off this subject yet, about the word “DIA”  in the greek, because that word is your and others trip point.  

    Found this on the internet,  ……What does “Dia”  mean in the bible?

    NO Gene I am going to use your own reasonings in order to make you aware of your misconception of Jesus’ truth

    THAT WILL BE IN THE NEXT POST!

    In the meantime prepare yourself and ponder on your own words, hereunder in the bold type

    The answer given was this …….the ground or reason by which something is or is not done.  

    you see it is the ” REASON” for something is done. 

    It dosen’t mean that person done it as you and others falsely believe. ,  Jesus was the “reason” God alone created everything,

      He was God’s intent when he first started the human crwation, even befor the world began,

    it was the very “reason” God created mankind in the first place.

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    November 25, 2022 at 4:15 am#938859
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer, Carmel, Berean, and all, can we all agree that God had a “plan” in mind….. (a detaild purpose for doing something)  nothing he did or dose  is without a reason, and purpose,  Yes or No.  ?

    I am keeping this simple for now on purpose, can we all agree with the above, I am assuming you all will say,  yes , if not, please fill free to say and show why you don’t.

    I am not going to post further on this until i get an answere from you all, we have to start some where to show we agree on somethings in this descussion, so please answer .

    Peace and love to you all……..gene

    November 25, 2022 at 4:40 am#938860
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Carmel……Yes i do keep repeating what Jesus said, (not me),  the question is do you “truly believe him,  and what he ‘actually’ says, Thats the question here Carmel. If you truly believed those words of his (not me),  then you would also understand he could not have “himself” Created anything , no more then you or i can. He was a real human being from his birth exactly as we are, he is the prototype of what God had and has for “ALL” his human creation. He is the example of God the Father’s  CROWNING  ACHIEVEMENT,  in “ALL”  humanity.  

    That is, to those who “truly believe” , what Jesus said, which obviously by,  your own words, you take offence to. 

    Peace and love to you and yours Carmel……….gene

    November 26, 2022 at 4:29 am#938864
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    To seening no body has come up with a different meaning i posted about the Greek  word “Dia” , i will assume you all agree with it, right? So with that understanding then , we know that God himself created everything that exists, for “the purpose of his plan for all humanity, the “Man” Jesus being the first human being, to achieve his planned goal, for all of his human creation. 

    “the first born to recieve eternal life, ” of “MANY BRETHERN”.  

    Can we also agree with this? , that the word “Dia” Itself , has nothing to do with reguards to a actual “past existence” of any live sentinel being himself doing anything, but God doing it with the view he had in mind for his whole human creation,  Jesus being the “first” to achieve his intended goal for all of us? 

    Jesus said (not me)…..“I am the “first”, and the “last”.  Yes he is the first, and the last will be exactly like him also , to enter into the Kingdom of God. He is the goal God the father has in mind for us all. IMO. 

    Peace and love to you all……….gene

     

     

    November 26, 2022 at 7:56 am#938866
    Berean
    Participant

    Gene

    You are wrong Gene, God created everything THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
    IT IS HIS NATURAL HERITAGE TO HAVE ALL THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD THE FATHER: OMNIPOTENCE, OMNISCIENCE, OMNIPRESENCE.

    .…without him was not any thing made that was made….(John 1:3)

    all things were created BY HIM , and FOR HIM….(Colossians 1:16)

    AND TO CONCLUDE :

    👉And he is BEFORE all things, and BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST .

    HIM = JESUS CHRIST

    November 26, 2022 at 9:48 am#938867
    Berean
    Participant

    Gene

     👇

    COLOSSIANS 1
    16
    oti en autw ektisqh ta panta ta en toiV ouranoiV kai ta epi thV ghV ta orata kai ta aorata eite qronoi eite kuriothteV eite arcai eite exousiai ta panta di autou kai eiV auton ektistai 

    1:16 For👉 BY (EN) him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions,…

    HIM= JÉSUS-CHRIST 

    👉En    greek word

    1722

    a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between eiV – eis 1519 and 1537); “in,” at, (up-)on, by, etc.:–about, after, against, + almost, X altogether, among, X as, at, before, between, (here-)by (+ all means), for (… sake of), + give self wholly to, (here-)in(-to, -wardly), X mightily, (because) of, (up-)on, (open-)ly, X outwardly, one, X quickly, X shortly, (speedi-)ly, X that, X there(-in, -on), through(-out), (un-)to(-ward), under, when, where(-with), while, with(-in). Often used in compounds, with substantially the same import; rarely with verbs of motion, and then not to indicate direction, except (elliptically) by a separate (and different) preposition

    November 26, 2022 at 12:20 pm#938868
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Dia” , i will assume you all agree with it, right?

    Not necessarily. I was just pointing I agree that God made all things for him or on his behalf. But it needs to be said that when you do that, that person usually exist.

    For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    Here we do indeed see that all was created for him. But it also says through him too. But you would have to say for him and for him making both words mean the same thing. And then this scripture doubles down with our view when it says ‘he is before all things”.

    Obviously you do not believe he is the Word of God like most Believers do.

    I feel like your mission is to destroy all that makes him special such as firstborn of all creation  beginning of the creation of God,  son of God, Word of God, and at the right hand of God where he was before the cosmos. I am not sure what exactly is motivating you regarding this.

    November 27, 2022 at 4:41 am#938871
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer you said…….”Here we do indeed see that all was created for him. But it also says through him too. But you would have to say for him and for him making both words mean the same thing. And then this scripture doubles down with our view when it says ‘he is before all things”.

    Obviously you do not believe he is the Word of God like most Believers do.

    I feel like your mission is to destroy all that makes him special such as firstborn of all creation  beginning of the creation of God,  son of God, Word of God, and at the right hand of God where he was before the cosmos. I am not sure what exactly is motivating you regarding this.”

    Proclaimer…….The word “through” comes from the same exact  Greek word as “by”,  the word “dia”. Check it out,  ok. 

    Your right i do not believe as most “so-called” , believers do, thats a true statement. If i did i would be preaching a “false Jesus” as 90% of all Chrisendom does.   

    Satan plan from the beginning of his deception was and is to make Jesus appear different then the rest of humanity,  that is exactly why he created the doctrine of “the trinity”. , which turns,  Jesus from a human being into a GOD.  HE WANTS US TO “SEPERATE OURSELVES FROM , the “EXACT LIKENESS” of  Jesus, that is and was his overall purpose, in creating these false teachings about Jesus. 

    HE WANTS YOU TO WORSHIP JESUS AS YOUR GOD.  2THS2, explains it,  READ IT AND think about it,  ask yourself,  who is the “only” Human “man”,  to sit in the temple of God and is being desplayed and worshiped,  as a God?   Is it not the man Jesus Christ?  And that false “lmage” of Jesus , turns the man,  Jesus,   into a “MAN OF SIN”.  WHY.,  because God said , “you shall have “NO” GOD BESIDE ME”, and  It breakes that commandment?

    So if anyone makes and worships another God, they are a sinner, and is commiting “IDOLATERY”   And will never be accepted by God the Father or the man Jesus Christ either. 

    This present whole worlds Christan teachings,  is under the false teachings of Satan himself, and all those who go along with these false teaching about Jesus, are the servants of Satan, and will hear “depart from me you workers of iniquity,   I know you not whence you are”. 

    As far as the word goes,  Jesus plainly said (not me)…..“the words i am telling you are “NOT” my words, but are the “words” of him that sent me”.  Your choice is do you “truly” believe him. If so , then there should be no problem as to whose “words”  Jesus was speaking to us,  he himself as, being “the word”,  or him as telling us “God the Fathers words” ,  not his words. 

    I chose to believe what Jesus “himself said about the words he was telling us” , how about you? 

    Peace and love to you and your Proclaimer……….gene

     

     

     

    November 27, 2022 at 7:23 am#938872
    Berean
    Participant

    Gene

    When are you going to BE HONEST WITH THE TRUTH?

    COLOSSIANS 1
    16
    oti en autw ektisqh ta panta ta en toiV ouranoiV kai ta epi thV ghV ta orata kai ta aorata eite qronoi eite kuriothteV eite arcai eite exousiai ta panta di autou kai eiV auton ektistai

    1:16 For👉 BY (en) HIM were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions,…
    HIM= JESUS ​​CHRIST 

    👉  En : Greek word


    1722

    a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between eiV – eis 1519 and 1537); “in,” at, (up-)on, by, etc.:–about, after, against, + almost, X altogether, among, X as, at, before, between, (here-)by (+ all means ), for (… sake of), + give self wholly to, (here-)in(-to, -wardly), X mightily, (because) of, (up-)on, (open-)ly, X outwardly , one, X quickly, X shortly, (speedi-)ly, X that, X there(-in, -on), through(-out), (un-)to(-ward), under, when, where( -with), while, with(-in). Often used in compounds, with substantially the same import; rarely with verbs of motion, and then not to indicate direction, except (elliptically) by a separate (and different) preposition

    November 27, 2022 at 10:00 am#938873
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    You: Carmel……Yes i do keep repeating what Jesus said, (not me),  the question is do you “truly believe him,  and what he ‘actually’ says, Thats the question here Carmel. If you truly believed those words of his (not me),  then you would also understand

    he could not have “himself” Created anything, 

    First and foremost I asked you a simple question and I want a simple

    YES OR KNOW PLEASE!

    SO HERE IT IS AGAIN:

    COULD THE FATHER HIMSELF COME ON EARTH AS A HUMAN AND DO WHAT JESUS DID EVEN DIE?

    YES OR NO PLEASE!

    You: he could not have “himself” Created anything,  

    Me: Just read again my question above and you will be able to be aware

    WHAT THE FATHER COULD DO ALL BY HIMSELF.

    NOW READ SCRIPTURE PLEASE:

    Hebrews 1:10And: Thou in the beginning, O Lord, didst found the earth: and the works of thy hands are the heavens.

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

     

     

     

    November 28, 2022 at 3:26 am#938875
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi All,

    1 John 1:1-2 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; for the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was WITH the Father, and was manifested unto us.

    Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

    Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

    Jesus IS our Heavenly Father’s WORD that was from the beginning made true. The WORD that was WITH God, the WORD OF LIFE that was FROM THE BEGINNING, was made true in Jesus when he was resurrected from the dead. 

    2 Timothy 1: 9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

    Acts 2:Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it

    Our Heavenly Father’s WORD from the beginning was not only a promise of eternal life unto mankind but also His WORD before the world even began, was that of the first man who would receive that promise and that he would also be the man who makes it possible for all others to receive it. His glory is even greater, as when this Son of Man returns in our Father’s glory, he get’s to fulfill our Heavenly Father’s WORD that was from the beginning, giving eternal life to all those who believe. 

     

  • Author
    Posts
Viewing 20 posts - 23,461 through 23,480 (of 25,921 total)
123…1,1731,1741,175…1,2951,2961,297
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

 

CREATE NEW TOPIC
POPULAR TOPICS
ACTIVE TOPICS
SITE SEARCH
SUPPORT US
REGISTER

Recent Replies

ALL REPLIES →

© 1999 - 2024 Heaven Net

Navigation

© 1999 - 2023 - Heaven Net
 Log in with Facebook
or

Log in with your credentials

or    

Forgot your details?

 Log in with Facebook
or

Create Account