Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

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October 11, 2021 at 7:01 am#891201
carmel
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Carmel:  THE FATHER WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO CREATE ALL BY HIMSELF IN RELATION TO HUMAN REASONING!
EXCEPT IN/BY/FOR JESUS!
More nonsense. As if God was somehow UNABLE to create things all by Himself.
ME: When will you get it into your mind and stop putting God in the same basket as humans: Read:
Isaiah 55:11 For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts.
10And as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return no more thither, but soak the earth, and water it, and make it to spring, and give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11So shall my word be,
which shall go forth from my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.
TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR WORD Mike, please?
DOES IT RETURN TO YOU, AT LEAST?
DOES IT DO WHATSOEVER YOU PLEASE?
DOES IT PROSPER IN THE THINGS FOR WHICH YOU SENT IT?
The above scripture Mike is a clear declaration from God that HE, though God is also SHE, DID NOTHING WITHOUT HIS OWN SPOKEN WORD, OR MORE PRECISE WITHOUT
HIS OWN SPIRIT/THE HOLY GHOST HIDDEN IN HIS OWN WORD!
Isaiah 42:1 BEHOLD my servant, (“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN) I will uphold him: my elect,
my soul (THE HOLY GHOST) delighteth in him:(THE SON OF MAN)
I HAVE GIVEN MY SPIRIT UPON HIM (BEFORE THE WORLD WAS)
he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
THUS THE PHRASE “ALL BY HIMSELF” ONCE YOU MENTION GOD, YOU MUST ALSO INCLUDE THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD!
NOW GOD HAS SEVEN SPIRITS! THAT MEANS THAT BOTH “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, THE LAMB OF GOD, SLAIN…Rev.13:8 AND THE HOLY GHOST, WITHIN THEM, CARRIED THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD, Rev.3:1 Rev.5:6.
In relation to Isaiah 55:11, IT ALSO MEANS THAT GOD, HIDDEN IN HIS OWN WORD,
DID WHATEVER PLEASE HIM.
THE ENTIRE CREATION!
John1:1IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
YOU: More nonsense. As if God was somehow UNABLE to create things all by Himself.
Mike, when you mention God and all things related to HIM, keep In mind that YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! Unless you accept the fact that both”THE WORD” and the Holy Ghost are also GOD HIMSELF!
THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF CREATION, WHILE GOD REMAINED IN HIS GLORY IN HEAVEN, HE STILL CREATED THE ENTIRE CREATION ALL BY HIMSELF, DESPITE BY “THE WORD” AND THE HOLY GHOST WITHIN, Isaiah 42:1
John 4:34 Jesus saith to them: My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, that I may perfect his work. 35Do you not say, There are yet four months, and then the harvest cometh? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes, and see the countries; for they are white already to harvest.
36And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life everlasting:
that both he (“THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN) that soweth, and he (THE HOLY GHOST) that reapeth, may rejoice
TOGETHER
(GLORIFIED ONE SUBSTANCE IN JESUS CHRIST ON THE CROSS, GODMAN, JOHN 13:31-32)
37For in this is the saying true:
That it is ONE MAN(“THE WORD” made flesh THE SON OF MAN) that soweth, and
it is another (SPIRIT, THE HOLY GHOST) that reapeth.
38I have sent you to reap that in which you did not labour:
others have laboured, (GOD, BOTH IN THE HOLY GHOST and IN “THE WORD”) and you have entered into their labours.
You: But let’s expose your lunacy…
Carmel, when God created Adam on the 6th day,
what “human” insights could Jesus have given God,
seeing that Jesus hadn’t ever been a human at that time?
ME: POOR Mike, YOU ARE STILL LIVING ON MILK, WITH EVERY RESPECT!
John1:3 All things were made by him:
and without him was made nothing that was made.
Can you see it, Mike???
UNLESS YOU ARE AWARE OF THE PROCESS OF GOD,
WHATEVER YOU SAY IS USELESS!
Colossians 1:15Who is the IMAGE (JESUS CHRIST GODMAN) of the invisible God,
the firstborn of every creature:
IN THE ABOVE IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL Mr. Mike:
ADAM WAS NOT JUST ADAM, ALL BY HIMSELF, BUT ALSO
JESUS, THE SON OF MAN YET TO BE, AS “THE WORD” SPIRIT, ETERNAL LIFE WITHIN
ADAM’S HEART, HIS CREATOR, AS
THE BEGINNING,
THE FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE IN THIS CASE ADAM!
16For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers:
all things were created by him and in him.
17And he is before all, (JESUS, EVEN BEFORE ADAM WAS, HE WAS ALREADY
JESUS CHRIST GODMAN, IN ONE GLORY WITH THE FATHER, John17:5 )
and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church,
who is the beginning,
the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he may hold
the primacy:
AGAIN AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL:
JESUS IS THE BEGINNING OF ALL BEGINNINGS,
THE FIRST OF ALL THE FIRSTS, IN OUR CASE ADAM!
NOW ATTENTION PLEASE, Mike, WHICH ALSO IN ACTUAL FACT MEANS THAT
JESUS CHRIST GODMAN IS THE BEGINNING,
THE FIRST-EVER!
PRE-EXITED EVEN BEFORE CREATION STARTED! READ:
Genesis 1:26 And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness:…..
AGAIN: AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL:
LET US MAKE MAN TO
OUR IMAGE,
WHY OUR IMAGE?
WHAT IMAGE Mike?
OBVIOUS THE IMAGE OF
THE FATHER, SPIRIT, embodied in
THE SON, FLESH!
JESUS CHRIST
THE FIRST-EVER EMBODIMENT OF GOD!
THE PRIMORDIAL LIGHT!
GODMAN! NO?
NOW READ SCRIPTURE:
27And God (BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON) created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him:
male (IN THE FATHER, SPIRIT) and female (IN THE SON, FLESH) he created them.
Philippians 2:5 For let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (BEFORE CREATION)
6Who being in the form of God, (THE EMBODIMENT OF GODMAN)
thought it not robbery TO BE EQUAL with God: (DEFINITELY NOT! HE WAS GODMAN)
7But emptied himself, (FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH AND ETERNAL LIFE)
taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man. 8He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross. 9For which cause God also hath exalted him, and hath given him a name which is above all names: 10That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth: 11And that every tongue should confess that
the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.
AS HE WAS BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!
John17:5And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself,
with the glory which I had,
before the world was, with thee.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

October 11, 2021 at 8:41 am#891203
carmel
Participant
Hi Mike,
You: And if you want to say that
the Holy Spirit is a member of the Godhead who spoke through it, then
I can claim that Moses, the vision, and David are members of the Godhead who spoke through them.
ME: WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A PERSON WHO PUTS GOD IN THE SAME BASKET OF HUMANS IN YOUR CASE
MOSES, THE VISION, and DAVID!
Mike, WHEN GOD ACTS THROUGH MORTAL HUMANS IN FLESH, THE ACTION IS SUBJECT TO
THE TANGIBLE PROCESS OF THE FLESH OF THIS EARTH! NO?
WHAT IS FLESH IS FLESH OK?
LIKEWISE, WHEN GOD ACTS THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, OR “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD!
THE ACTION IS SUBJECT TO THE SPIRITUAL MYSTERIOUS PROCESS OF GOD! NO? MR. Mike!
WHAT IS SPIRIT IS SPIRIT! OK?
THERE’S ONLY ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATURES!
THAT MEANS THAT SINCE THERE IS THE NEED FOR A MEDIATOR,
GOD IS NOT IN THE POSITION TO CREATE WITHOUT
THIS MEDIATOR/SPIRIT! NO?
ESPECIALLY WHEN HIS CREATURES ARE IMPERFECT AND MORTALS, AS GOD PERFECT AND ETERNAL, COULD IN NO WAY ABIDE WITHIN
IMPERFECT AND MORTAL CREATURES;
AS CARRIERS FOR HIS SPIRIT, AND IF GOD IS NOT IN THE POSITION TO ABIDE WITHIN IMPERFECT AND MORTAL CREATURES HE MIGHT AS WELL NOT CREATES AT ALL! NO? SINCE HE GAVE FREE WILL TO HIS CREATURES EVEN TO BECOME HIS ENEMIES! BUT ONCE, GOD, ALL-KNOWING,
ENGRAFTED
“THE WORD” SPIRIT, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, ETERNAL LIFE, AS THIS MEDIATOR/SPIRIT,
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IN THE FIRST-EVER CREATURE’S HEART, AND IN ALL THE EVENTUAL CREATURES THROUGH HIM, GOD, WHO IS THE LIGHT! NOT ONLY COULD CREATE BUT ALSO COULD ABIDE AS ETERNAL LIFE EVEN
IN DARKNESS, SATAN! BUT ONLY HIDDEN, WITHIN
“THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN!
THE FATHER IN THE SON! and
THE SON IN THE FATHER!
NO GOD NO JESUS, AD INTRA
NO JESUS NO GOD, ONCE CREATION STARTED!
AD EXTRA
OUTSIDE THE GODHEAD!
You: And if you want to say that
the Holy Spirit is a member of the Godhead who spoke through it, then
I can claim that Moses, the vision, and David are members of the Godhead who spoke through them.
ME, can you see your WORLDLY CORRUPTED WISDOM OR MORE PRECISE
YOUR FOOLISHNESS,
IN ORDER FOR MOSES AND ALL OTHER CREATURES NO MATTER WHOM AND WHAT, TO ACT FOR GOD, OR GOD THROUGH THEM, WITHIN THEMSELVES MUST HAVE ENGRAFTED
THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR
AS NOTHING COULD FUNCTION WITHOUT HIM! WELL CLEAR IN
John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you,
unless you abide in me.
5I am the vine; you the branches:
he that abideth in me, and I in him,
the same beareth much fruit:
for without me you can do nothing.
“THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, THE FACT THAT IT IS CALLED SO, TO BE CLEAR
THE SON ATTRIBUTED TO HUMANITY!
THE FACT THAT HE GAVE HIS OWN BODY TO THE HUMAN RACE ON
HIS RESURRECTION, AND ESTABLISHED THE ENTIRE HUMANITY ALL IN HIMSELF
CHILDREN OF GOD PERFECT IN
HIMSELF!
John 4:34 Jesus saith to them:
My meat is to do the will of him that sent me,
that I may perfect his work.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
October 13, 2021 at 12:32 pm#891239
carmel
Participant
Carmel, now let’s do the same with Rev 4 and 5…
Rev 4:2…  At once I was in the Spirit, and I saw a throne standing in heaven, with someone seated on it.
Notice there is only one person on that throne – not three.
John1:1IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made BY HIM:
and without HIM was made nothing that was made.
4IN HIM was life,
and the life was the light of men.
Colossians 1:15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For IN HIM were all things created in heaven and on earth,
visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers:
all things were created BY HIM and IN HIM. 17And he is before all,
and BY HIM all things CONSIST.
John14:16And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete,
that he may abide with you forever.
17 The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him;
because HE shall abide with you,
and shall be in you.
John14:21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them; he is that loveth me. And he that loveth me, shall be loved of my Father: and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.:23 Jesus answered, and said to him:
If anyone loves me, he will keep MY WORD, (SPIRIT)
and my Father will love him, (SENDS THE HOLY SPIRIT)
and WE (THE FATHER AND THE SON IN CHRIST) will come to him, and will make our abode with him.
1John1:That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled,
of the word of life:
2For the life was manifested;
and we have seen and do bear witness, and declare unto you the life eternal, which was with the Father,
and hath appeared to us:
3That which we have seen and have heard, we declare unto you, that you also may have fellowship with us, and our fellowship may be with the Father,
and with his Son Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and effectual,
and more piercing than any two edged sword; and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit, of the joints also and the marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13Neither is there any creature invisible in HIS sight:
but all things are naked and open to HIS eyes,
to whom our speech is. (“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN)
ME: Mike, WITH RESPECT TO THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES:
YOU ARE ONE HUMAN PERSON!
AS A PERSON YOU HAVE A BODY NAMED Mike!(1)
AS A PERSON YOU ALSO HAVE A SOUL NAMED Mike(2)
AS A PERSON YOU ALSO HAVE A SPIRIT A SPIRIT OF MAN NAMED Mike! (3)
AS A PERSON YOU ARE A TRIUNE BEING, THOUGH CORRUPTED STILL IN
THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF A TRIUNE GOD,
IN JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN BEFORE THE WORLD WAS! Mr. Mike!
WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT’S YOUR PIGEON!
Cont.
AS A PERSON YOU ALSO HAVE “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN AS A SPIRIT, YOUR CREATOR IN
YOUR HEART, AT ALL COSTS! EVEN SLAIN….Rev.13:8
ETERNAL LIFE,
THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATURES!
WHO SUSTAINS YOU OR ELSE
YOU WON’T EXIST! (4)
Are you in the position to give DETAIL HOW JESUS,
SUSTAINS THE ENTIRE CREATION?
LET’S CONTINUE:
AS A CHRISTIAN PERSON IN JESUS CHRIST:
YOU ALSO HAVE IN YOU, THE HOLY SPIRIT
SENT BY JESUS CHRIST,
FROM THE FATHER! (5)
AND IF YOU HAPPENED TO LOVE JESUS AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS!
YOU ALSO HAVE IN YOU, THE FATHER AND THE SON, IN CHRIST,
GODMAN! (6)
SIX SPIRITS IN ALL Mr.Mike in order to produce you so!
WHILE YOU ARE ON EARTH AS A MORTAL HUMAN BEING! AS A CHRISTIAN YOU LIVE ON EARTH ETERNAL LIFE AND NEVER DIE EVEN ON YOUR DEATH!
John11:26And every one that liveth, and believeth in me,
shall not die forever.
Believest thou this?
IN ORDER FOR GOD IN CHRIST TO ABIDE IN YOU AS HIS CARRIER! EX SATANIC,
TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD!
WHEN GOD THE FATHER EMBODIED IN CHRIST and VICE VERSA ABIDES
ALL IN ALL!
AND THEY ALL BE ONE!
John 17:21 And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me;
21That they all may be one,
as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee;
that they also may be ONE in
US;…
THE FATHER AND THE SON
GODMAN
JESUS CHRIST
Peace and love in Jesus Christ

October 31, 2021 at 10:16 am#891608
mikeboll64
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Gene: Mike……..both your last two posts were “spot on” brother.
👍🙂
November 4, 2021 at 8:12 pm#891670
Proclaimer
Participant
You can see that Jesus is not the “YOU” who sits on the throne and who created all things. Jesus is instead the one who takes the scroll from the right hand of the “YOU” who sits on the throne and who created all things.
Exactly. What say the detractors?
November 5, 2021 at 1:10 am#891672
gadam123
Participant
The Bible teaches that there is one God. God created everything. And He created all things through the Word / Jesus Christ / Son of God.
And while we may not understand how that works exactly, it doesn’t give us the right to input our own ideas and make Jesus the creator. He is the head for sure, but not the creator. Scripture is clear. All things were created through him and for him.
Yes this is the problem created by the NT writers by including Jesus the so called Messiah in God’s creation process which is no where found in the Hebrew Bible.
November 5, 2021 at 9:07 am#891675
Proclaimer
Participant
Problem? Where is the expectation that the Old Testament should reveal everything? It’s not there is it? If it did reveal all, then there would be no need for further revelation. Furthermore, anyone could tell you not all is revealed even now. Back to the drawing board gadam.
but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past…
He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him…
You have missed the boat gadam. Your mind sets rules to suit your own outcome. We call that delusion.
November 5, 2021 at 4:18 pm#891678
gadam123
Participant
Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past…
He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him…
Was it a mystery or the newly developed/invented ideas?
OK, can you show us how Jesus was involved in God’s creation in the beginning?
November 6, 2021 at 5:33 am#891683
GeneBalthrop
Participant
Adam……No they can’t because Jesus was not alive at that time.
peace and love to you and yours Adam………gene
November 6, 2021 at 7:10 am#891684
Berean
Participant
Gene
You
Adam……No they can’t because Jesus was not alive at that time.
One of the biggest silly things you can say. Gadam can’t believe you.
Gadam knows that it is written in the NT but he doubts, you close your eyes not to see, too sad, you deprive yourself of the true knowledge on God and on Christ.
November 6, 2021 at 7:52 am#891686
Berean
Participant
God bless
November 6, 2021 at 10:50 am#891688
Proclaimer
Participant
OK, can you show us how Jesus was involved in God’s creation in the beginning?
Are you after a video? Or perhaps you can read the text for yourself? But I will post some basic logic for you to ponder.
1. There is a God and he is eternal and because love exists, it must originate in God.
2. Because we live, there must have been a first living person to be with God.
3. God could create things for this person, just as we do for our own wife or family.
4. If creation needed redeeming, then it would show great love if this person was the one to give his life up to save his family.
5. It would be logical for the messiah to be the one whom God created everything for,rather than just create some random dude to take the job on, as gene believes..
6. Free will allows true live to exist. But it also allows living beings to reject God.
7. If we reject God, then obviously God will not force you to have eternal life with him.
8. If you reject life, then that leaves you the other option. I’ll let you answer that one.
November 6, 2021 at 12:16 pm#891689
carmel
Participant
Hi Gadam,
YOU: OK, can you show us how Jesus was involved in God’s creation in the beginning?
John1:1IN the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
God could never abide in creatures DIRECTLY!
IN ORDER FOR THE CREATURES TO EXIST AND LIVE
IN THEIR FREE WILL! EVEN AS ENEMIES OF GOD!
THE ENTIRE CREATION ALL IN JESUS, while
GOD IS ONLY IN JESUS! Well clear in
John17:23 I IN THEM,
(ONLY JESUS, ETERNAL LIFE, IN CREATURES) and
THOU IN ME;
(ONLY THE FATHER IN JESUS AND VICE VERSA!
THE FACT THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY HOUSE OF GOD, THE ONLY INTERMEDIATE SPIRIT BETWEEN HUMANS IN FLESH AND GOD IN SPIRIT)
that they may be made perfect
(ONLY BY JESUS, ) in
ONE:…. (GODMAN JESUS) Well clear in
John4:34 Jesus saith to them: My meat is to do the will of him that sent me,
that I may perfect his work.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
November 6, 2021 at 4:12 pm#891690
gadam123
Participant
Hi Proclaimer, thanks for your thoughtful reply to my query. But I could not find the following in the Hebrew Bible;
God could create things for this person, just as we do for our own wife or family.
If creation needed redeeming, then it would show great love if this person was the one to give his life up to save his family.
It would be logical for the messiah to be the one whom God created everything for,rather than just create some random dude to take the job on, as gene believes..
God only created the first man Adam as per the creation story in the Genesis. The concept of Messiah came later in the Hebrew Bible and its religion. It is entirely different from that of Christianity. So no such dude as you claim in God’s creation involved for saving the so called family of God. It’s all purely the invention of the NT writers and Christianity allegedly involving Jesus the so called Messiah in God’s creation.
November 7, 2021 at 3:02 am#891692
GeneBalthrop
Participant
Proclaimer…….Where did I “ever say” God randomly, Choose anything ?, the man Jesus, was part of God the Fathers plan right from the beginning, Even before the world began, and so we’re we , and everything in this world was also. And when the right time came Jesus came into his being, the same applies to us, every man in his own order. That included Jesus Christ also.
This whole creation was made for “perfected Mankind”, Jesus was the First of “MANKIND” to fulfill God the Fathers intended Goal for “all of mankind “, The first of many.
Your whole argument is full of “if’s” , could, etc, which tells me , you really don’t know do you?
peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer………gene

November 7, 2021 at 3:30 am#891693
GeneBalthrop
Participant
Carmel……1 Cor 3:16…..“know you not that you “ARE” the TEMPLE of GOD, and that the Spirit of God dwells “in” you. 17….If any man defile the TEMPLE of God, him Shall God destroy; for the TEMPLE of God IS holy, which TEMPLE YOU “ARE”.
Carmel….. You are of them that defile the temple of God, by Preaching that Jesus is God, instead of being a temple of God , like we are, who have the Spirit of God “in’ us also.
peace and love to you and yours Carmel……..gene
November 7, 2021 at 10:45 pm#891716
Proclaimer
Participant
Hi Proclaimer, thanks for your thoughtful reply to my query. But I could not find the following in the Hebrew Bible;
Lol. I don’t think I can help you gadam.
November 15, 2021 at 12:22 pm#891887
carmel
Participant
Hi Gene,
You: Proclaimer…….Where did I “ever say” God randomly, Choose anything ?,
the man Jesus, was part of God the Fathers plan right from the beginning, Even before the world began,
and so we’re we , and everything in this world was also.

ME: YOU ARE A GENIUS???
I MIGHT AS WELL CALL YOU
JESUS CHRIST!!!
ACCORDING TO YOU, JESUS IS ONLY
PART OF THE FATHER’S PLAN???
SCRIPTURE:
John10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE!
John1:1IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him:
and without him was made nothing that was made.
4In him was life,
and the life was the light of men.
Colossians 15 Who is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn of every creature:
16For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him.
17And he is before all, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;
that in all things he may hold the primacy:
19Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father, that
ALL FULLNESS SHOULD DWELL;
20And through him to reconcile ALL THINGS unto himself,
making peace through the blood of his cross,
both as to the things that are on earth, and the things that are in heaven.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead corporeally;
John15:5I am the vine;
you the branches:
YOU ARE A MERE USELESS BRANCH, Mr.Gene!!!
READ
he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit:
FOR WITHOUT ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING.
LUCKY I RAN OUT OF TIME, AS MORE WOULD HAVE BEEN POSTED!
ANYWAY; That is more than enough simply to make you aware of your
corrupted carnal-minded nonsense!
MY PRAYERS FOR YOU TONIGHT, AT LEAST
TO GIVE JESUS HIS DUE RESPECT!
John5:23 That all men may honour the Son, as they honour the Father.
He who honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father, who hath sent him.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

November 16, 2021 at 3:28 am#891899
GeneBalthrop
Participant
Carmel……If I were doing the Fathers Will “only” And not my own Will, I could say the same thing Jesus said, “if you see ME are seeing the Father. It’s all about who’s Will is being done, yours or the Fathers. Remember what Jesus said?, ” the Son of man , came not to do “HIS” WILL, but the Will of him who “SENT HIM” , you haven’t figured that out yet?
AND again…..”the son of man can do “nothing “OF” himself’’., has that scripture been removed from your bible?
Carmel the Jesus you teach and preach is not the Jesus of our scriptures, but a Jesus predicated around many “false”, Trinitarian teachings over many years.
peace and love to you and yours Carmel……….gene
December 23, 2021 at 8:10 pm#892283
Proclaimer
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But you are not the image of the invisible God, nor the firstborn over all creation.
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Isaiah 55:11 For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

11So shall my word be,

my soul (THE HOLY GHOST) delighteth in him:(THE SON OF MAN)

THE ENTIRE CREATION!

that both he (“THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN) that soweth, and he (THE HOLY GHOST) that reapeth, may rejoice

TOGETHER

(GLORIFIED ONE SUBSTANCE IN JESUS CHRIST ON THE CROSS, GODMAN, JOHN 13:31-32)

That it is ONE MAN(“THE WORD” made flesh THE SON OF MAN) that soweth, and

it is another (SPIRIT, THE HOLY GHOST) that reapeth.

others have laboured, (GOD, BOTH IN THE HOLY GHOST and IN “THE WORD”) and you have entered into their labours.

seeing that Jesus hadn’t ever been a human at that time?

and without him was made nothing that was made.

WHATEVER YOU SAY IS USELESS!

ADAM’S HEART, HIS CREATOR, AS

all things were created by him and in him.

JESUS CHRIST GODMAN, IN ONE GLORY WITH THE FATHER, John17:5 )

who is the beginning,

the primacy:

THE FIRST-EVER!

PRE-EXITED EVEN BEFORE CREATION STARTED! READ:

OUR IMAGE,

THE FATHER, SPIRIT, embodied inTHE SON, FLESH!

JESUS CHRIST

GODMAN! NO?

27And God (BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON) created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him:

male (IN THE FATHER, SPIRIT) and female (IN THE SON, FLESH) he created them.

6Who being in the form of God, (THE EMBODIMENT OF GODMAN)

the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.

with the glory which I had,

before the world was, with thee.

I can claim that Moses, the vision, and David are members of the Godhead who spoke through them.

MOSES, THE VISION, and DAVID!

WHAT IS FLESH IS FLESH OK?

WHAT IS SPIRIT IS SPIRIT! OK?

THIS MEDIATOR/SPIRIT! NO?

ENGRAFTED

“THE WORD” SPIRIT, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, ETERNAL LIFE, AS THIS MEDIATOR/SPIRIT,

“THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN!

AD EXTRA

I can claim that Moses, the vision, and David are members of the Godhead who spoke through them.

YOUR FOOLISHNESS,

THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR

he that abideth in me, and I in him,

for without me you can do nothing.

THE SON ATTRIBUTED TO HUMANITY!

HIMSELF!

My meat is to do the will of him that sent me,

that I may perfect his work.

and the Word was God.

3All things were made BY HIM:

4IN HIM was life,

16For IN HIM were all things created in heaven and on earth,

and BY HIM all things CONSIST.

that he may abide with you forever.

because HE shall abide with you,

and shall be in you.

and WE (THE FATHER AND THE SON IN CHRIST) will come to him, and will make our abode with him.

of the word of life:

2For the life was manifested;

and hath appeared to us:

and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and effectual,

and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13Neither is there any creature invisible in HIS sight:

to whom our speech is. (“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN)

YOU ARE ONE HUMAN PERSON!

WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT’S YOUR PIGEON!

YOUR HEART, AT ALL COSTS! EVEN SLAIN….Rev.13:8

ETERNAL LIFE,

WHO SUSTAINS YOU OR ELSE

YOU WON’T EXIST! (4)

SUSTAINS THE ENTIRE CREATION?

SENT BY JESUS CHRIST,

GODMAN! (6)

SIX SPIRITS IN ALL Mr.Mike in order to produce you so!

shall not die forever.

Believest thou this?

ALL IN ALL!

AND THEY ALL BE ONE!

THE FATHER, SPIRIT, embodied in
THE SON, FLESH!