Did God create all things through the Lord Jesus Christ?

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July 11, 2022 at 2:26 pm#932458
Proclaimer
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while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
God and Jesus Christ. You merged them into the same person?
July 11, 2022 at 3:10 pm#932459
Lightenup
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Actually, Peter did the merging of the titles into the same person…twice, not me. He also calls Jesus our Lord and Savior in the same chapter with the very same Greek structure. This is undeniable.
2 Peter 1:1…To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
2 Peter 1:11and you will receive a lavish reception into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Do you know how to look at the Greek and compare the sentence structure, Proclaimer? You can find that here:
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_peter/1.htm
In verse 1 we see:
v. 1 …τοῦ θεοῦ ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ
translated: Of the God of us and Savior, Jesus Christ.
v. 11…τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ
translated: Of the Lord of us and Savior, Jesus Christ.
That is the same Greek wording and sentence structure. The only difference is one verse has God and one verse has Lord. They would both be translated the same, as both titles belonging to Jesus Christ.
Btw, it was Jesus’ righteousness that saved us. If it were the Father’s righteousness that saved us, He wouldn’t have needed Jesus to come to be our righteousness.

July 11, 2022 at 4:21 pm#932460
Proclaimer
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Look another one. God the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 5:21
“I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels”
So Jesus is both the almighty God and Lord, thus the above verse doesn’t give honour to the Father as well?
No. I believe we give thanks to God and to Jesus our lord for all things. God first.
Funny thing about this confusion that I have observed over the years that some denominations even ignore God the Father entirely and make it all about Jesus. This is wrong.
Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. ‘”
July 11, 2022 at 7:11 pm#932463
carmel
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Hi Gene,
YOU: What did Jesus “not me”, tell us about this subject of being a son of God?
Matt 23: 9………”And call “no man” your Father, upon the earth:
for “one” “IS”, YOUR Father, who is in heaven”
Me, Gene, as usual your perception is totally CARNAL!
WHY DID JESUS SAID
“YOUR FATHER”? WHAT DID HE REFER TO?
IF HE REFERRED TO THE HUMAN STATE IN FLESH AND BLOOD, OF WHICH THE FATHER, SPIRIT,
COUNTS FOR NOTHING, HE WOULD HAVE SAID
“OUR FATHER”
WHICH WOULD HAVE INCLUDED HIMSELF AS
A HUMAN IN FLESH AND BLOOD, NO?
THUS JESUS REFERRED TO THE HUMAN SOUL NOT TO THE HUMANS IN FLESH AND BLOOD!
MORTAL!
ALL SOULS ARE GOD’S SPIRIT SUBSTANCE! ALL OF THE HOLY GHOST, WELL CLEAR HEREUNDER:
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold all souls are mine: as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, the same shall die.
SO GOD, THE FATHER IN HEAVEN IS NOT A FATHER OF MORTALS NO?
ADAM REJECTED GOD, AND GOD REJECTED ADAM AND THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, THE GENUINE AND TRUE REASON THAT GOD THE FATHER SENT HIS UNIQUE GENUINE SON, TO BE THE FATHER OF THE HUMAN RACE PRECISELY
BY HIS OWN DIVINE BLOOD!
John17:1These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2As thou hast given him power over all flesh,….
10 And all mine (HUMAN’S) are thine, and thine (SPIRIT) are mine;
and I AM glorified in them.
BOTH SPIRIT and FLESH IN JESUS CHRIST
THE TRUE GOD ON EARTH!
Answer Gene, HOW WOULD YOU CONSIDER SOMETHING TRUE ON THIS PLANET?
1John5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come,
OK Gene, THE SON OF GOD COME, SO HE WAS ALREADY
THE SON OF GOD!
HE CAME ALSO THE SON OF MAN, SIMPLY FOR OUR SAKE, TO GIVE US
ETERNAL LIFE!
and hath given us an understanding,
that we may know him that is TRUE and we are in him that is TRUE,
even in his Son Jesus Christ.
This is the true God, and eternal life.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him,
I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life:
no man cometh unto THE FATHER, but by me.
THE TRUE FATHER OF THE HUMAN RACE RECREATED ANEW BY HIS OWN BLOOD!

You: Question is, do you “truly” believe what Jesus said? If so how is it saying God Is Jesus’ Father and Saying God is our Father, makes Jesus any different we are, with our heavenly Father?
Gene, read again:
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him,
I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life:
no man cometh unto THE FATHER,
but by me.
ATTENTION Gene, John 15:5 I am the vine,
ye are the branches:
You are a mere branch Gene, I’m afraid! ACT LIKEWISE!
KEEP ON READING:
He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:
for without me ye can do nothing.
NO JESUS NO FATHER
NO FATHER NO JESUS
FOR THE HUMAN RACE
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
July 12, 2022 at 2:38 am#932464
GeneBalthrop
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Proclaimer, and the rest…..question is who is your “first” love? the church of Ephesus failed this test, Rev 2:4-5
CORRECT PROCLAIMER, you said…”Funny thing about this confusion that I have observed over the years that some denominations even ignore God the Father entirely and make it all about Jesus. This is wrong.” That is “exactly” what Satan wants them to do.
Precisely, this “confusion” was Started by Satan himself, 2ths2, Satan, knows by causing people to make Jesus their God, he causes them to commit “Idolarty”, and thereby, be rejected by both God the Father and Jesus Christ also.
While you seem to understand that Proclaimer, you still accept many of their teachings, that they use to reflect that “false” image of Jesus, being a God. that is why i say , you are neither hot nor cold, but a “fence walker”. Proclaimer come “completely” out of her , “MYSTERY” religion , the mother of harlots and abomnation of the earth.
Look i am not here saying Jesus is “nothing”, he certanly is a glorified Son, of our heavenly Father, a real prototype of what God our Father, has and had in mind, when he created “mankind”, in the first place. God used many others also, over the years, to bring Glory to “His”, name. Our brother Jesus is the first of mankind, who fulfilled the Father Goal, for all his human creation. Our Goal is to become “exactly”, like Jesus is, in every way, and with God the Fathers help, that Goal is obtainable through the Anointing Spirit of The Father, “exactly” as it was for Jesus the Christ [anointed one of God] also.
I do not “seperate” Jesus’ exact idenity with me as a fellow human being , nor with our heavenly Father, who is mine and his, “only” true God.
Peace and love to you and yours……….gene

July 13, 2022 at 9:52 am#932476
Proclaimer
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Look i am not here saying Jesus is “nothing”, he certanly is a glorified Son, of our heavenly Father, a real prototype of what God our Father, has and had in mind, when he created “mankind”, in the first place.
Scripture is clear. He is THE prototype son. The first. All things were created through him and for him. He was WITH God before the universe existed. He is in the glory he had then with the Father now.
Someone had to be first Gene. And the first would have to be very special right? We know who that is, But you deny him his rightful place by reason of a false doctrine that you hold to. Your Jesus is no different to your next door neighbour. Lol. Is your neigbour the final Adam, the first Son, the first to be WITH God?
God sent his Son into the world. He came in the flesh like us, so we could go to where he is now and with a body like his now. The Son redeemed many to also be sons. In all that and you cannot change this fact, that he is the first son.
And why oppose this truth? Well the Antichrist spirit denies the Son of God. Could this be the simple reason?
July 13, 2022 at 6:27 pm#932479
gadam123
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God sent his Son into the world. He came in the flesh like us, so we could go to where he is now and with a body like his now. The Son redeemed many to also be sons. In all that and you cannot change this fact, that he is the first son.
This is what I am questioning here – what difference it makes with other religions like our Hinduism in India where you can find number of such mythologies stating that an alien celestial being coming on to this tiny planet in disguise of a human. How can he be an example to us as a perfect human being living sinless life and offering himself as a vicarious atonement?
July 13, 2022 at 9:04 pm#932480
gadam123
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Human sacrifice/Vicarious atonement is another myth.
July 14, 2022 at 2:44 am#932481
GeneBalthrop
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Adam…….exactly right! If Jesus was a perfect “preexisting being” of any kind , and then come to earth “disguised” as a human being, it would prove apsolutely “nothing” to anyone.
That is what they don’t see Adam, that if , that were the case everything Jesus did would prove apsolutely nothing to anyone, just be worthless to everyone . A perfect “preexisting” being comes to earth “desguised” as a human, walks perfectly gives up his “morphfed” flesh, and goes back where he was before , and gets “back” his previousely held glory.  All of that would prove apsolutely “nothing” , to anyone.
He could not be a “actual”, “protype”, for us or any true human at all? That would be a simple shall game God was playing with us, a simple smoke and mirrors carnaval act.
The “only” way Jesus could be the first Human “being” to qualify for the position he now holds, is to be “EXACTLY” as we are , without exception of “anykind”, He had to come into his “ONLY” existence “EXACTLY” as we did , without exception, of any past knowledge or experience of anykind whatsoever. Be baptized, Recieve the ‘Holy Spirit’ , and with that Spirit overcome this world, die and be raised from the dead , exactly as we must also be , inorder for us, to also have eternal life too, exactly like him.
Adam what they don’t understand is Jesus was a “prophesided” “HUMAN” being that was to come into his “ONLY” EXISTENCE, AT A CERTAIN TIME in history. Thats the exact same as Cryus was, and became a servant of God, as Cryus did also, propheside 200 years before his actual birth on this earth. Why don’t they say Cryus came from heaven, where he was before, or that he “preexisted” as another being before his birth on this earth.
JESUS could not have “qualified” for his present position as First born from humanity if he weren’t 100% human , from his every start of existence to now. He is the “first” human, “protype” , from humanity, a real son of mankind, who was born again and became a everlasting Son of God. The exact same way we must also be. HE is the “FIRST” OF “MANY”. Not the only one.
His position he now hold was all propheside to happen before he ever existed, therefore he said “the glory i had with you before the world was”, exactly right he holds the position afforded him before God ever started his human creation, we are also prophesided to recieve, “Glory and Honor, and “all” thing placed under our feet too. We are called “heirs and joint heirs” with Christ Jesus, we are called his brothern too. As the book of Hebrews chapter 6 clearly shows .
Adam, all those who move Jesus away from their owm human idenity with him , will in the end recieve what they preach, and they will be removed from him, just as they have preached, when they hear the words “depart from me you workers of iniquity, I know you not” whence you are”. , so be it to them, unles they repent.
Peace and love to you and your Adam………….gene

July 14, 2022 at 10:40 am#932482
carmel
Participant
Hi Gene,
You: A perfect “preexisting” being comes to earth “disguised” as a human, walks perfectly gives up his “morphed” flesh, goes back where he was before, and gets “back” his previously held glory.  All of that would prove absolutely “nothing” , to anyone.
ME: answer Gene please:
WAS JESUS ACCORDING TO YOU, WHAT YOU SAID ABOVE?
I MEAN A PERFECT PREEXISTING BEING WHO CAME ON EARTH “DISGUISED” AS A HUMAN BEING WITH A MORPHED FLESH AND BLOOD BODY?
YES OR NO PLEASE!

Peace and love in Jesus Christ
July 14, 2022 at 4:54 pm#932488
Proclaimer
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Adam…….exactly right! If Jesus was a perfect “preexisting being” of any kind , and then come to earth “disguised” as a human being, it would prove apsolutely “nothing” to anyone.
Incorrect Gene.
First off, it is not a disguise. He emptied himself and came in the flesh. So he wasn’t pretending to be a man, he was a man.
Secondly, such a being who was first with God and came to be with us as a human would be like the new Adam. Both were sinless and both came directly from God.
And this is the nature of God. We are robbed when our Father Adam sins and this is inherited by all men in this world. It shows how generous God is. Rather than a plan B that is not quite as good, he supersedes the disadvantage and teaches evil a lesson in the process by blessing us with the Son of God himself rather than a created Adam. It also sets up a unique situation where heaven gets to see the battle of good vs evil play out in a world where the wisdom of both produces fruit for all to see. Lesson learned I would say.
So we get to choose with our free will which Adam are from. The worldly one or the heavenly one.
So, despite sin entering our world, God’s remedy is to make the solution even better than if sin had never happened. Further, there is a record now showing that evil ends in death and misery for any world and only the Kingdom of God should be the government.
God’s wisdom is above all and the victory is all his.
Choose your Adam.
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
July 15, 2022 at 2:22 am#932496
GeneBalthrop
Participant
PROCLAIMER……But you don’t see Jesus as a “real” Second Adam, why ?, because you give Jesus a great advantage over Adam, that advantage was a preexisting life as a perfect “non” human being. Who you believed was “morphed”, into a human body.
Why would a perfect preexisting being empty himself of a perfect eternal life, and then cry out to God to take away death from him, if he knew he had a much better life then the one he already had. Why would a perfect preexisting being cry out, my God why have you forshaken me? That is the voice of a “real” human being, not a preexisting perfect being crying out those words, it the words of a person who had never known any other life but the on he has.
No Proclaimer, God took a ordinary human baby from mankind, from the root and offspring of king David, just as Jesus said he was from, and so does other scriptures also. You can’t find one word where Jesus ever said , he was alive as a real living being before he was born on this earth, in the old or new Testament scriptures, if they are there Show me them, show any activity of Jesus before his birth on this earth. There is non!
Your using smoke and mirrors tricks, to make a Jesus that is not in scriptures. Your giving Jesus great glory , while all the time taking the Glory of God, in perfecting his human creation away from him, by giving Jesus the Glory of a preexisted perfection that he already had. Your moving away the work of God in humanity, by saying that a perfect being came down and lived a perfect life, that leaves out the work of God the Father in Jesus , that perfected him, and also raised him from death in the grave and gave him eternal life, just as Jesus said,  “i was dead and am now alive forever”.
If you see Jesus as anyway different then, the rest of human brothers and sisters , you are not seeing the real Jesus. God the Father took one of his human creations , perfected him with his holy Spirit, offered him up as his sacrifice for the sins of the world, he was from start to finish a work of God the “exact” same as we are, from start to finish.
IT is Satan who wants to make Jesus appear different then we are, to cause people to loose “Faith” in the one and only “true” God, who works “all” thing to his own will and desire. That includes Jesus a son of man, of the stock of David, from the roots of Jessie, just as scripture says. I realize you can’t see the evil your contributing , by say Jesus was a preexisting being who was alive in heaven before he existed on this earth, and are unable at this time to see the real Jesus, as a “real” human being having no advantage over us , except God the Father was with him. Just as tge Father can also be with us and live in us exactly as he lived in Jesus also. Satan want us all to make Jesus different then the rest of humanity , the moving away of Jesus’ exact idenity with his human brothers and sister is “exact’ what Satan wants and his minister on this earth carry it out for him to this very day.
Proclaimer you need to realize Jesus is one of us from mankind, which is from God the Father, “WE ALL HAVE, BUT “ONE ” TRUE FATHER, WHO IS IN HEAVEN , the Father of us and Jesus, the God of us “true believers” and of the “man” Jesus, our brother also, Simple as that.
Peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer………..gene

July 15, 2022 at 2:49 am#932497
GeneBalthrop
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Carmel…….No, thats the way you people present him, NOT ME, I see Jesus , as a human being exactly as we are, who with the power of God the Fathers Spirit, being “in” him , overcame sin and walked a perfect life in “obedience” to God, his Father and our Father , his God and our God. I do not take away Jesus’ hunan idenity away from him, nor me identifying myself with him, as a fellow human being, he is the “protype” of what God the Father “had and has”, in mind for “all”, his human creation, and that included, Jesus also.
Jesus is the “perfect human man”, not another God, or God /man , he is a work of God manifested in “mankind”, and is to the Glory, of the one true God, Yahovah.
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel…………gene

July 15, 2022 at 3:35 am#932498
gadam123
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Did God create all things through the Lord Jesus Christ?
This is the controversial question on creation of God when we go through the creation stories available in the Hebrew Bible. If Jesus the first century Jew was made co-creator with God in beginning of the creation of this universe how come he becomes a pure human being born of a woman? Is this not a mythology?
What type of perfect man he would be if he was pre-existing as a divine creator ?
July 15, 2022 at 4:53 am#932499
Danny Dabbs
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Satan want us all to make Jesus different then the rest of humanity , the moving away of Jesus’ exact idenity with his human brothers and sister is “exact’ what Satan wants and his minister on this earth carry it out for him to this very day.
Gene,
That’s not the deception.
The devil and his freemasons want to deceive everybody.
Trinitarians, Binitarians, Unitarians and so on.
God bless.
July 15, 2022 at 8:35 am#932500
Proclaimer
Participant
Jesus is not co-creator God is the creator. God made all things through and for the son of God. If there was no son or sons/inhabitants, then God probably wouldn’t have created the universe.
July 15, 2022 at 10:41 am#932501
carmel
Participant
Hi Gene,
You: I see Jesus, as a human being exactly as we are,
PRODUCE SCRIPTURE THAT CLEARLY SAYS SUCH THINGS!
EXACTLY AS WE ARE! LET’S SEE:
Luke 1:35 And the angel answering, said to her:
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,
and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee.
And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called
the Son of God.
MATTHEW 1:18 Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together,
she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost.
20…………Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her, is of the Holy Ghost.
Now Gene, IT WOULD BE QUITE INTERESTING IF YOU WERE TO FURNISH ANOTHER
DESCRIPTION EXACTLY AS THE ABOVE, ATTRIBUTED TO ANOTHER CONCEPTION!
You: who with the power of God the Fathers Spirit, being “in” him , overcame sin and walked a perfect life in “obedience” to God, his Father and our Father ,
NO Gene, GOD THE FATHER, SPIRIT,
IS NOT OUR FATHER MORTALS IN FLESH AND BLOOD!
John8:24 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do.
GOD THE FATHER IS THE FATHER OF SPIRITS/SOULS
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold all souls are mine:
Ecc.12:7…the spirit return to God, who gave it.
JESUS, THE NEW ADAM, IS THE FATHER OF HUMANITY IN FLESH AND BLOOD, BY HIS OWN DEATH,
Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth, and they who are sanctified,
are all of one.
For which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, saying:12 I will declare thy name to my brethren; in the midst of the church will I praise thee.13And again: I will put my trust in him. And again:
Behold I and my children, whom God hath given me.
JESUS RECREATED US WITH HIS OWN BLOOD. A NEW CREATION!
Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision,
but a new creature.
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth, we know no man according to the flesh. And if we have known Christ according to the flesh;
but now we know him so no longer.
17If then any be in Christ a new creature,
the old things are passed away, behold all things are made new.
HE GAVE US A NEW FLESH BODY ON HIS RESURRECTION!
THEN, HE INTEGRATED HIS/OUR NEW FLESH BODY WITH THE HOLY GHOST GLORIFIED
GODMAN John13:31 32
AS JESUS CHRIST ON THE CROSS.
THE GOD OF ALL FLESH
Jeremiah 32:27 Behold I am the Lord the God of all flesh: shall anything be hard for me?
THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ALL CHILDREN OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS AND PRESENTED US TO GOD THE FATHER! CONFIRMED IN
Colossians 1:22 Yet now he hath reconciled in the body of his flesh through death,
to present you holy and unspotted,
and blameless before him:
YOU: Jesus is the “perfect human man”, not another God, or God /man,
No Gene, YOU ARE WRONG, THE SCRIPTURE ABOVE IS MORE THAN CLEAR.
JESUS IS THE GOD OF ALL FLESH AND THE FATHER OF IT WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.
HE DIED FOR US HUMANS OF FLESH AND BLOOD, NOT THE FATHER, AND HE IS GLORIFIED BOTH IN FLESH AND SPIRIT. READ JESUS’OWN WORDS:
John17:2 As thou hast given him power over ALL FLESH,….
John 17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine;
and I am glorified in them.
ONE SUBSTANCE BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH!
Luke 24:39 See my hands and feet, that it is I myself; handle, and see: for a (ORDINARY) spirit hath not flesh and bones,
as you see me to have.
he is a work of God ….,
WHY ARE YOU SO CRAMMED WITH NEGATIVE ASPECTS ABOUT JESUS?
HE IS NOT EVEN “THE WORK OF GOD” NEVER MIND A WORK OF GOD, Gene?
John6:29 Jesus answered, and said to them:
This is the work of God,
that you believe in him whom he hath sent.
Gene, THE WORK OF GOD IS TO BELIEVE IN JESUS!
NOT THAT JESUS IS A WORK OF GOD!
PRODUCE SCRIPTURE THAT CLEARLY SAYS
“JESUS IS A WORK OF GOD”
and is to the Glory, of the one true God, Yahovah.
Gene, answer, I asked you this lots of times:
HOW IS SOMETHING CONSIDERED TRUE ON THIS PLANET?
John17:1 THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: Father, the hour is come,
glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee.
Gene, ANSWER:
WHO GLORIFIES WHO?
Substantiate WHAT YOU SAID by scriptures.
In the meantime read:
1John5:20 And we know that the Son of God is COME:
Jesus was already the Son of God before He came NO?
Gene will you deny the above clear declaration by John that
THE SON OF GOD COME?
YES OR NO Please.

...and he hath given us understanding that we may know the true God,
and may be in his TRUE Son.
This is the TRUE God and life eternal.
Will you also deny the above which emphatically declares that
JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE?
1 John3:8 ……the Son of God APPEARED, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Will you also deny the above, the son of God APPEARED?
AND IF JESUS APPEARED HE MUST HAVE PREEXISTED NO?
Ephesians 3:19: To know also the charity of Christ, which surpasseth all knowledge, that you may be filled unto
ALL THE FULLNESS OF GOD.
EVEN this you deny, that Christ FILLS YOU UNTO
ALL THE FULLNESS OF GOD?
2Peter1:1 Simon Peter, servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained equal faith with us in the justice of
our God and Saviour Jesus Christ.
DON’T TELL ME THAT YOU ARE ALSO READY TO DENY THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE?
You: he is the “prototype” of what God the Father “had and has”, in mind for “all”,
EXACTLY Gene! ADAM, OUR SPIRITUAL FATHER, REJECTED GOD, SPIRIT, ADAM DIED OF GOD’S SPIRIT AND BECAME ALIVE IN FLESH AND BLOOD A SATANIC MAN!
JESUS, BOTH SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN, GOD/MAN, THE SECOND ADAM, CAME IN THE SAME BODY AS ADAM’S CURSED THROUGH CAIN! SATAN’S FIRSTBORN.
JESUS THROUGHOUT HIS HOLY LIFE, A DIRECT BATTLE FOR 18 YEARS AGAINST SATAN AND CO. TRANSFORMED ADAM’S BODY THE SON OF MAN, INTO A PERFECT DIVINE BODY, CONFIRMED AT THE RIVER JORDAN.
JESUS SPIRITUALIZED HIS FLESH BODY EX ADAM, BECAME ONE SUBSTANCE
GODMAN BEFORE HIS PASSION, AND MANIFESTED IT ON MOUNT TABOR!
THE NEW LUCIFER! THE NEW AND TRUE MORNING STAR!
CONFIRMED BY JESUS’OWN WORDS!
Luke 13:32 And he said to them: Go and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and do cures to day and to morrow,
and the third day I am consummated.
GOD THE FATHER GAVE ALL POWERS TO JESUS BEFORE HIS PASSION IN ORDER TO HAVE A DIRECT CONFRONTATION AGAINST SATAN ON THE CROSS! CONFIRMED IN
John 13:3 Knowing that the Father had given him ALL THINGS INTO HIS HANDS,
and that he came from God, and goeth to God;
JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, GLORIFIED ADAM’S BODY ON HIS DEATH IN THE STATE OF GODMAN!
John13:31When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said:
Now is the Son of man glorified, (John17:1)
JESUS BECAME GOD
and God is glorified in him.
GOD BECAME MAN
32If God be glorified in him,
IF GOD BECAME MAN
God also will glorify him in himself;
JESUS ALSO BECAME GOD
GODMAN
and immediately will he glorify him.
ON HIS DEATH!
THE LORD OF GLORY!
1Corinthians 2:8 …..for if they had known it, they would never have crucified
the Lord of glory.
Jesus is the first God-man, One who is not just man but also God (He has the divine essence) and not only God but also man (He is a man).
The first great act of God was His creation: ALL IN BY “THE WORD” JESUS, AS A SPIRIT, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, HIDDEN AND UNKNOWN IN LUCIFER! THE PRIMORDIAL LIGHT!
Thus, God as the Creator has created all things; the second great act of God is His incarnation: the Creator has become one of the creatures. AGAIN HIDDEN IN “THE WORD” MADE FLESH JESUS THE SON OF MAN.
The Lord Jesus is the prototype for the producing of the many God-men; He is the model, the pattern, the mold, the prototype that God set forth for all His children to be conformed to – He’s the Firstborn among many brothers, and we are being conformed to His image (1 Pet. 2:21; Rom. 8:29)
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
July 16, 2022 at 2:17 am#932503
GeneBalthrop
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Proclaimer, and all…….You need to really read what the Greek word (dia) actually means. IT ACTUALL IS saying that, Jesus (as represention of perfected humanity) was what God the Father had in mind, before he ever created any human being on this earth including Adam himself.
Jesus is the very reason for all human creation. He is the very being for our creation in the first place. The first human to enter into the Kingdom of God, as a finished human “prototype” . This honor was aforded him before he ever existed , Just as King Cyrus was afforded his honor and glory as a King and servant of God, 200 yrs, before he was ever born. So was Jesus afforded his Honor and Glory before he was ever born and came into his “only” existence also.
Trying to raise Jesus up to the equal level of God is a pure corruption of the truth and scriptures, and is an act of “idolatery”, all who do that will never be accepted by God the Father, nor Jesus either. Did God not tell us “You shall have “NO” God besides me, you shall nake no likesness of me in heaven or in the earth or under the earth”. He also said “I am God andcthe is “NO” other God besides me, I know not of any God besides me.  How many here “truley” believe God the Father and what he said?, that yhe true question here isn’t it?
The “man” Jesus had a God , who he always prayed to, and it certanily was not himself. When Jesus said that there was only “one “true” God” , he really meant it, but how many here truly believes what he said, thats the real question.
Jesus is a second Adam ie, man, from mankind even if God took the (DNA) from the seed of DAVID and placed it into the womb of Mary, it still was a seed of a human being, Jesus was not morphed from another eternal existence and placed into Her womb, as people falsely believe.
Well did Jesus say that “many” would come in my name sayin i am the Christ , and “DECIEVE” MANY”.  That is exactly the way it is today, a world full of decieved people and Satanic preachers preaching a false Jesus. “narrow” is the way, and “few” there be that find it.”
Peace and love to you all and yours……….gene
July 16, 2022 at 2:45 am#932504
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Adam….. What you said in your last post is apsolutly correct. IF WHAT THEY SAY about Jesus is true then it would mean “nothing” to any real human being at all, we could never relate with him on a “real human level”, it would just be like a carnavial game of smoke and mirrors . God playing deception games with humanity.
Peace and love to you and yours Adam………..gene
July 16, 2022 at 8:33 am#932505
Berean
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Gene

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. (Proverbes 14:12)
This IS your cas Gene.
Jésus IS the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.(Colossians 1:15:17)
And he(Jesus) is before all things, and by him all things consist.
AMEN !
PAUL SAID THE TRUTH.
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for “one” “IS”, YOUR Father, who is in heaven”

“YOUR FATHER”? WHAT DID HE REFER TO?

“OUR FATHER”

WHICH WOULD HAVE INCLUDED HIMSELF AS

A HUMAN IN FLESH AND BLOOD, NO?

MORTAL!

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh,….

and I AM glorified in them.

BOTH SPIRIT and FLESH IN JESUS CHRIST

THE TRUE GOD ON EARTH!

1John5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come,

ETERNAL LIFE!

This is the true God, and eternal life.

I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life:

THE TRUE FATHER OF THE HUMAN RACE RECREATED ANEW BY HIS OWN BLOOD!

You: Question is, do you “truly” believe what Jesus said? If so how is it saying God Is Jesus’ Father and Saying God is our Father, makes Jesus any different we are, with our heavenly Father?

but by me.

ATTENTION Gene, John 15:5 I am the vine,

ye are the branches:

You are a mere branch Gene, I’m afraid! ACT LIKEWISE!

for without me ye can do nothing.

NO JESUS NO FATHER

NO FATHER NO JESUS

FOR THE HUMAN RACE

the Son of God.

are all of one.

Behold I and my children, whom God hath given me.

but a new creature.

17If then any be in Christ a new creature,

GODMAN John13:31 32

to present you holy and unspotted,

and blameless before him:

John17:2 As thou hast given him power over ALL FLESH,….

and I am glorified in them.

as you see me to have.

This is the work of God,

Gene, THE WORK OF GOD IS TO BELIEVE IN JESUS!

HOW IS SOMETHING CONSIDERED TRUE ON THIS PLANET?

glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee.

WHO GLORIFIES WHO?

and may be in his TRUE Son.

This is the TRUE God and life eternal.

ALL THE FULLNESS OF GOD?

2Peter1:1 Simon Peter, servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained equal faith with us in the justice of

our God and Saviour Jesus Christ.

and the third day I am consummated.

Now is the Son of man glorified, (John17:1)

and God is glorified in him.

God also will glorify him in himself;

GODMAN

and immediately will he glorify him.

ON HIS DEATH!

THE LORD OF GLORY!

And he(Jesus) is before all things, and by him all things consist.

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