Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 06 2005,07:32)Hi eliyah, You really seem to get stuck in a groove do you not? You define sin and lawlessness according to your views and then try to force these views down everybody's throats. You really need to lighten up and realise the Saviour brought a good news message and not your doom and gloom miseries.Eliyah…[Read more]

Hi everyone. I have studyed this subject a lot lately and think I stumbled onto a way to understand this more. Think about John 1:1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Now consider this which isn't in the Bible but evidence of God's work:In the beginning was the Rib, and the Rib was with Adam, and the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2005,03:05)Quote (trettep @ May 23 2005,00:02)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,23:04)Hi trettep, We are only here to search out and share truth as we find it in the bible. There is always dross and we should expect it as we are all human. Perfection is not of our natural capacity and to strive for it in our own strength…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2005,00:10)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,01:08)Quote (trettep @ May 21 2005,23:06)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:40)Hi trettep, We know from Genesis God commanded Adam and spoke to Adam. Adam knew who his father was and knew his Father. There is little evidence he knew the thoughts of God or followed those…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,23:04)Hi trettep, We are only here to search out and share truth as we find it in the bible. There is always dross and we should expect it as we are all human. Perfection is not of our natural capacity and to strive for it in our own strength only leads to frustration.Nick, Don't put obstacles in others way by…[Read more]

Nick,I'm not sure who is “us” in your statement. I look out for humility and should also. I don't set myself up for a model of humility but I'm trying to as you should be also. You should be a model of everything that Jesus is. That is the purpose of man. Nick, for all I know God has hardened your heart to test me. Therefore, I better pass…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,20:39)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,13:20)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,08:08)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,02:18)Nick,  I rebuked you from the Word of God and you denied every verse was valid.Then you say:”Scriptural evidence is preferable to human inference as in all these matters.” Tit 1:16  They profess that t…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,20:33)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,13:05)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,08:04)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,00:53)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,00:16)Hi trettep, The evidence that Adam had the Holy Spirit is not shown by fruit in his actions. Nor is it shown in scripture but you have inferred it from the fact…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,09:32)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,02:18)Nick,  I rebuked you from the Word of God and you denied every verse was valid.Then you say:”Scriptural evidence is preferable to human inference as in all these matters.” Tit 1:16  They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and d…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,08:08)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,02:18)Nick,  I rebuked you from the Word of God and you denied every verse was valid.Then you say:”Scriptural evidence is preferable to human inference as in all these matters.” Tit 1:16  They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and d…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,08:04)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,00:53)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,00:16)Hi trettep, The evidence that Adam had the Holy Spirit is not shown by fruit in his actions. Nor is it shown in scripture but you have inferred it from the fact he is said to be a son of God. Should you not rely on scriptural evidence?…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,06:27)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,01:43)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,01:08)Quote (trettep @ May 21 2005,23:06)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:40)Hi trettep, We know from Genesis God commanded Adam and spoke to Adam. Adam knew who his father was and knew his Father. There is little evidence he knew the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,01:49)Quote (trettep @ May 22 2005,00:53)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,00:16)Hi trettep, The evidence that Adam had the Holy Spirit is not shown by fruit in his actions. Nor is it shown in scripture but you have inferred it from the fact he is said to be a son of God. Should you not rely on scriptural evidence?…[Read more]

Nick, I rebuked you from the Word of God and you denied every verse was valid.Then you say:”Scriptural evidence is preferable to human inference as in all these matters.” Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Nick – that verse reminds me of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,01:08)Quote (trettep @ May 21 2005,23:06)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:40)Hi trettep, We know from Genesis God commanded Adam and spoke to Adam. Adam knew who his father was and knew his Father. There is little evidence he knew the thoughts of God or followed those thoughts or instructions. Certainly it does…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2005,00:16)Hi trettep, The evidence that Adam had the Holy Spirit is not shown by fruit in his actions. Nor is it shown in scripture but you have inferred it from the fact he is said to be a son of God. Should you not rely on scriptural evidence? Why does God not say he blew the Holy Spirit into him instead of “the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,23:21)Hi trettep, Of course Adam was a son of God. That is a natural fact. He had no other father.That does not say he had the Holy Spirit. We are sons of God by adoption not natural sons . If you are correct then in saying Adam was a son of God as he had the Spirit is to say we do not need the Spirit as we already…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:52)Quote (trettep @ May 21 2005,20:53)I liken the Holy Spirit unto Holy Instinct.  Its a gift unlearned.  That when one is Born Again they are a newborn babe and can begin to discern spiritual things.  Now there doesn't appear to be a limit to what God gives you of that Instinct.  Instinct is Ability.  Like when…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:52)Quote (trettep @ May 21 2005,20:53)I liken the Holy Spirit unto Holy Instinct.  Its a gift unlearned.  That when one is Born Again they are a newborn babe and can begin to discern spiritual things.  Now there doesn't appear to be a limit to what God gives you of that Instinct.  Instinct is Ability.  Like when…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2005,22:20)Hi trettep, Do you have scriptural evidence from Genesis for this claim?Of course see my last post.Paul