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Functions are great, but site is slow.
Thanks for all your effort – Wm

Michigan midwest US

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@t8,

You said “If the whole earth can mean the known world of the time, then it could possibly mean all flesh in that area. And if God told Noah to take “EVERY” LIVING THING OF “ALL” FLESH” into the ark as you say, then did he come to New Zealand?”

But scriptures tell us in Genesis 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every  shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

He did not have to go looking for them where they were, but they came after him.

Wm

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@kerwin,

Thank you

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@kerwin,

I apologize, I took your statement of “obviously false claims” to something I had stated close alignment with, combined with your other references, I had not intended to put words in your mouth so sorry that I added to what you meant.

Wm

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@kerwin,

Your sure that this line of thought is a lie, basically inferring both the video makers and myself are liars! Yet you have not even watched it! Not very Christ like.

Wm

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@t8,

I believe the Middle East and most other land areas were “formed” out of the water at creation.

Genisis 1:9 Then God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered together so that the dry land will appear.” And it happened.10 God named the dry land “earth,” and he named the water that was gathered together “seas.”

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@t8,

As I stated earlier, when the Scriptures state “the whole world” it need not necessarily include all countries in the whole world, but only the known world.

I was only responding to your opening example that the flood was only “a regional flood” and was providing scriptures I felt in this case to support the whole world.

I’m just very concerned if we’re challenging rather clear scriptures, because it doesn’t take very long before everyone’s just left doing what’s right in their own eyes (left with no foundation for truth).

My opinion – Wm

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@kerwin

I may not agree with everything in a video I’ve posted, but I will certainly answer any inquiries and discuss the topic. Please be specific as to what you believe are “lies”.
Wm

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@kerwin,

Your sure that this line of thought is a lie, not even just mistaken? So you judge the intent.

I went back and watched it again but I’m not sure what you believe is the “lie” or what “facts” you’re basing it on.

What is your point of disagreement?

Wm

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@kerwin

I agree that the source I used was biased, as am I, towards the truth as given in scripture. I believe scripture although mistranslated and misunderstood is still our best source to understand the truth of the world around us.

Wm

 

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Interesting video from  Northwest Creation Network on the facts discovered about the flood shows the result of the earth reshaping forces which were occurring during and subsequent to the world wide flood

 

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@t8,

I also only want truth.

I believe that the scriptures as originally transcribed were accurate and contained all necessary truth, but they have been removed by thousands of years, thousands of miles, different; languages, idioms, and culture. This leaves plenty of opportunities for misunderstanding or other errors to creep in. So I understand and except there is much I need to learn about truth, trying to overcome the aforementioned obstacles but I believe it would be impossible to accomplish this if the scriptures are unreliable.

So to ignore plainly written claims such as “only eight survived” or “all creatures breathing air died” is choosing to stand on shifting sand.

My opinion – Wm

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Good points copied from Institute for Creation Research

Biblical Reasons
A few of the many Biblical reasons for believing in the global Flood are briefly summarized below. For those who believe in the Bible as the inerrant word of God, these should be sufficient.

1. Jesus Christ believed the Old Testament record of the worldwide Flood. Speaking of the antediluvian population, He said: “The flood came, and took them all away” (Matthew 24:39). Evolutionary anthropologists are all convinced that people had spread over the entire Earth by the time assigned to Noah in Biblical chronology, so an anthropologically universal Flood would clearly have required a geographically worldwide Flood.
2. The apostle Peter believed in a worldwide hydraulic cataclysm. “Whereby the world [Greek, kosmos] that then was, being overflowed [Greek, katakluzo] with water, perished” (II Peter 3:6). The “world” was defined in the previous verse as “the heavens . . . and the earth.” Peter also said that “God . . . spared not the old world, but saved Noah . . . bringing in the flood [Greek, kataklusmos] upon the world of the ungodly” (II Peter 2:5). Note also that these words katakluzo and kataklusmos (from which we derive our English word “cataclysm”) are applied exclusively in the New Testament to the great Flood of Noah’s day.
3. The Old Testament record of the Flood, which both Christ and Peter accepted as real history, clearly teaches a global Flood. Therefore, it seems to us that Christians, professing to believe in Christ and follow Him, can do no less. For example, the record emphasizes that “all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven . . . and the mountains were covered” (Genesis 7:19,20) with the waters of the Flood. This must have included Mount Ararat on which Noah’s Ark landed, and which is now 17,000 feet high. This was no local flood!
4. Since “all flesh died that moved upon the earth . . . all that was in the dry land” (Genesis 7:21,22), Noah and his sons had to build a huge Ark to preserve animal life for the post-diluvian world—an Ark that can easily be shown to have had more than ample capacity to carry at least two of every known species of land animal (marine animals were not involved, of course). Such an ark was absurdly unnecessary for anything but a global Flood.
5. God promised that never “shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth” (Genesis 9:11), and He has kept His word for over four thousand years, if the Flood indeed was global. Those Christians who say it was a local flood, however, are in effect accusing God of lying, for there are many devastating local floods every year.

Scientific Reasons
The earth’s surface and sedimentary crust also bear strong witness to the historicity of a worldwide Flood, and the early geologists (Steno, Woodward, etc.) taught this. Most modern geologists have argued, on the other hand, that the earth’s crust was formed slowly over billions of years. Yes, but consider the following significant facts.

1. All the mountains of the world have been under water at some time or times in the past, as indicated by sedimentary rocks and marine fossils near their summits. Even most volcanic mountains with their pillow lavas seem largely to have been formed when under water.
2. Most of the earth’s crust consists of sedimentary rocks (sandstones, shales, limestones, etc.). These were originally formed in almost all cases under water, usually by deposition after transportation by water from various sources.
3. The assigned “ages” of the sedimentary beds (which comprise the bulk of the “geologic column”) have been deduced from their assemblages of fossils. Fossils, however, normally require very rapid burial and compaction to be preserved at all. Thus every sedimentary formation appears to have been formed rapidly—even catastrophically—and more and more present-day geologists are returning to this point of view.
4. Since there is known to be a global continuity of sedimentary formations in the geologic column (that is, there is no worldwide “unconformity,” or time gap, between successive “ages”), and since each unit was formed rapidly, the entire geologic column seems to be the product of continuous rapid deposition of sediments, comprising in effect the geological record of a time when “the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished.”
5. It is also significant that the types of rocks, the vast extent of specific sedimentary rock formations, the minerals and metals, coal and oil found in rocks, the various types of structures (i.e., faults, folds, thrusts, etc.), sedimentary rocks grossly deformed while still soft from recent deposition, and numerous other features seem to occur indiscriminately throughout the various “ages” supposedly represented in the column. To all outward appearances, therefore, they were all formed in essentially the same brief time period.
6. The fossil sequences in the sedimentary rocks do not constitute a legitimate exception to this rule, for there is a flagrant circular reasoning process involved in using them to identify their supposed geologic age. That is, the fossils have been dated by the rocks where they are found, which in turn had been dated by their imbedded fossils with the sequences based on their relative assumed stages of evolution, which had ultimately been based on the ancient philosophy of the “great chain of being.” Instead of representing the evolution of life over many ages, the fossils really speak of the destruction of life (remember that fossils are dead things, catastrophically buried for preservation) in one age, with their actual local “sequences” having been determined by the ecological communities in which they were living at the time of burial.
7. The fact that there are traditions of the great Flood found in hundreds of tribes in all parts of the world (all similar in one way or another to that in the Genesis record) is firm evidence that those tribes all originated from the one family preserved through the cataclysm.

 

 

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I believe both the climate and the topography of the earth changed drastically during the flood. I believe later the climate underwent further adjustments and as the frozen flood waters thawed it further divided the “earth” as mentioned in Genesis 10:25 Two sons were born to Eber; the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was <b>divided</b>; (possibly when when NZ became an island).

During the flood I believe the earth went through numerous volcanic events as well as tectonic plate shifting/tilting with the effects still occurring in varying amounts all the way to Revelation 16:18

I would possibly agree to some arguments except that they conflict directly with the clear teaching of scripture.

Question, who do you believe wrote the story of the flood?

 

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@T8,

I agree that many references in scripture can refer to the “known world”, but in this case there are scriptures that add more clarity.

1 PETER 3:  in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.

2 PETER 3: through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.

Gen. 7:21-23 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark

Genesis 7:20 The water prevailed fifteen cubits higher, and the mountains

 The truth conflicts with scientific theories, but it is supported by  scientific  facts.

My opinion – Wm

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@t8,

I know we’ll discuss this when you have time, but this is a good verse to start with when your ready.

Gen. 7:21-23 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark

Does your belief in scripture require that the facts as taught in scripture, align with the interpretation of the observations from today’s world?

Wm

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@t8,

Hope you enjoy your holiday.

Would gladly Discuss this topic when you have the time, but I believe it is much more likely that scripture will win the day as understood for the most part.

Wm

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@t8,

Genesis 7:22

All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

T8,

What do you do with this scripture??

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We’re told that love:

1 Corinthians 13:7  bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away

Knowledge is important, I’ve spent my whole life adding to it, but it must be kept in perspective. As the scripture states, it will vanish, not so for love (Love never fails). Yes knowledge must be sought, but it is a means, (a tool) to be used to establish an introduction to our heavenly Father Who guides us toward revelations of truths, that are far beyond what the accumulation of facts can get us. When we start exhibiting God’s love, we’re displaying for all, the knowledge we’ve gained.

My opinion, Wm

 

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Knowledge alone does little but puff us up, but love edifies

John 5:38 The Father’s teaching does not live in you, because you don’t believe in the one the Father sent. ³⁹ You carefully study the Scriptures. You think that they give you eternal life. These same Scriptures tell about me! ⁴⁰ But you refuse to come to me to have that life.

1 Corinthians 8:1 We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.

My opinion, Wm

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