@Proclaimer,

Ezekiel 28 first addresses the ‘prince of Tyre’ (Ezekiel 28:1-10) and then shifts to address the ‘king of Tyre’ (Ezekiel 28:11-19).

They are one and the same. Did you find the parallels between both prophecies? Studying is your friend.

The first section about the prince of Tyre is directed at a human ruler who is proud and claims…

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@Proclaimer,

I didn’t ask if Satan was the “god” of this world, I asked who the “ruler” of this world is. This distinction makes a huge difference in understanding. I won’t argue against christians MAKING Satan a “god” by applying and projecting all evil onto him, making him the patsy for every evil inclination and sinful act of mankind, and fo…[Read more]

@proclaimer

What was your point? I was saying Satan isn’t the ruler of this world, G-d is. Who do you say the ruler of this world is? Are you saying the created have power over the creator?

Isa 45:7 “I form light and I create darkness; I make peace and I create evil; I am Yahweh; I do all these things.”

In this passage G-d is the one who is spe…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Is this war spoken of by Ezekiel the same battle spoken of in Revelation 20:7-9?

@Proclaimer

You.  …..I don’t think so as the Bible is predominately talking about the area around the Great Sea, (Mediterranean).

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Me

I live nearby and I have a daughter who lives on the shore.

The first beast in Revelation 13 is described as “rise up out of the sea”…

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast come up ou…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

When we left off you offered three suggestions to “the end of the age” and what you “believe” could be a possibility. From the sounds of it you aren’t sure of what the “end of the age” is.

In the parable of the wheat and tares the Jesus explicitly states the harvest is at the “end of the age” and the weeds are gathered and burn…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

I don’t see the problem you are talking about.

So you didn’t verify anything…gotcha! Keep smashing that “I Believe Button”!

The tares and the wheat and the dividing of them is a process.

EXCEPT what does Matt 13:39 say…“The harvest is the end of the age.” The “end of the age” isn’t a millennia long period; it punctual, like a…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

You’re arguing that if Jesus’ return truly eradicates all sin and lawlessness, the notion of a later rebellion (e.g., post-millennial reign) contradicts this promise. You suggest that such an idea implies Jesus’ kingdom is imperfect or that his followers could fall into sin again.

What I’m pointing out are the words of the Jesus and h…[Read more]

@proclaimer

You :Nothing you have ever said about the Vatican has ever convinced me that it is the Beast.

The Beasts are the Empires around the Mediterranean Sea.

The Woman that rides the Beast on the other hand are the false religions of Babylon that have evolved into the false religions of the present era. The Vatican and Pope qualify here…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

There are tares and wheat. The tares are the children of the evil one and the wheat are the children of God. During the Millenial Reign, the evil one is restrained, so I guess that demonic temptation is not forthcoming, only one’s own flesh.

At the end, the evil one is released to harvest the tares that may not be obvious during the…

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@Proclaimer,

Yes once dead one cannot be rejudged for past sin in the resurrection.

So what is the second death for?

@Proclaimer,

The soul that sins will die.

Absolutely, G-d said so; but, what must one do to live? (Ezek 18)

Therefore, death is the price of sin and it is a required payment.

When did G-d say death is the “required payment” for sin?

God is also merciful.

Absolutely!! He tells us HE is AND freely forgives those who come to HIM with a repentant hea…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Proclaimer wrote:

I finally realize the difference between christianity and what is written in the Tanakh concerning sin; christianity believes sin is a condition or an attribute/characteristic of humanity, consider themselves dirty rags, and thus need a “redeemer” to be forgiven; the Tanakh teaches sin is an action and you have a c…

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@Proclaimer,

Proclaimer wrote:

I wasn’t speaking of paying a “fine”; I’m speaking of taking on the guilt of another; assuming the punishment of the guilty. Simply paying a “fine” is a monetary extortion of breaking a law and is used for compliance;

Sin has a cost and so does breaking man’s law. The cost for breaking some laws is a fine. The c…

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@Proclaimer,

Proclaimer wrote:

(DT) Matt 2:15 to Hosea 11:1; do they agree? Explain how if you believe they do.

(Proclaimer) Carnality cannot see the deeper truths of scripture and wisdom. It is superficial. Jonah was in the belly of the big fish for 3 days and so the Son of Man was in the belly of the earth. Both rose from that hell.

What does…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Proclaimer wrote:

(DT) What about Matt 5:43 where the Jesus says “you shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy”; where did God said to “hate your enemy.”

(Proclaimer) It does not say, “It is written”, but rather, “it hath been said”.

So, who said to “hate your enemy”? It definitely ISN’T written within the Tanakh. In fact the o…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Proclaimer wrote:

(DT) I’m still waiting for when G-d, speaking thru the prophets, said the blood of the messiah was to save mankind from eternal death and sin.

(Proclaimer)Think about it, if God let out that part of his plan as you think he should have if it were true, then Jesus Christ would not have been sacrificed on a cross. S…

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@Proclaimer,

Proclaimer wrote:

I am not sinless. Besides that, it is not hard to understand that another can pay your fine. God is merciful, but if you reject his mercy, then go ahead and pay your own fine. That is your choice.

I wasn’t speaking of paying a “fine”; I’m speaking of taking on the guilt of another; assuming the punishment of the gui…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

Hi desiretruth.

I see you have a problem that I see many others have today. No matter what is put forth, people are stubborn like mules and refuse to change. But I am not responsible for decisions that only you can make. I simply put forth truth and if someone hears it they have ears and if they cannot hear it, they are deaf. If they…

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@Proclaimer,

You say the Jesus prophesied of his own death for the sins of others; I’ll ask again, when did God change his mind and say the innocent can take on the guilt of the wicked?

The idea of the innocent bearing the guilt of the wicked is a key theme in the New Testament. It’s not about God changing His mind but rather a gradual r…

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