@Proclaimer: I do not.  I have tried for almost 30 years to find clear evidence of “three persons in the Godhead” from Scripture, and it simply isn’t there.  Not a single verse proclaims this “essential truth”.  It is a framework extrapolated from Scripture, constructed over 300+years of debate and speculation on the nature of Christ, and was ulti…

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@Proclaimer: I do not.  I have tried for almost 30 years to find clear evidence of “three persons in the Godhead” from Scripture, and it simply isn’t there.  Not a single verse proclaims this “essential truth”.  It is a framework extrapolated from Scripture, constructed over 300+years of debate and speculation on the nature of Christ, and was ul…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,
In response to post #945105

You quoted me:
“God said he is our salvation, not that I have to go through another. God said to repent, turn from your wickedness, and your sin will be remembered no more. God said HE had no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but desired they turn from their wickedness and live. What god do you s…[Read more]

@desiretruth @proclaimer

desiretruth also said: “Separate the OT from the NT and quit trying to merge what cannot be merged.” (post-944265)

Me: Romans 8:38-39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor
things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature,…[Read more]

@proclaimer

Hi Proclaimer,

It is hard to admit but I’m no longer sure if we live on a flat earth.
I accused you of being a coward but the truth is that I am the coward.
I simply cannot answer many of your objections.
So I did ignore your questions and hide behind some memes.
That’s cowardliness.
I apologize for accusing you of many things.
The…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Everyone seems to forget, I was on the same page (few exceptions) with most posting here. In fact was encouraged in my writings by some. Then about two months ago I came across the I Cor 15:3,4 verse; but didn’t gloss over it this time and everything was overturned…AGAIN! I have been “given” passages that are said to be poi…[Read more]

@proclaimer @admin

Hi Proclaimer/Admin,

Why don’t you ban this deceiver called “desiretruth”?
He himself said: “Separate the OT from the NT and quit trying to merge what cannot be merged.” (post-944265)
That’s his agenda. Is that okay with you?

@Proclaimer,

YOU: “If I had an enemy and I had a plan to defeat him within the laws that I myself set, then I wouldn’t be stupid enough to divulge that plan verbatim like you are expecting.”

ME: Are you saying “Satan” was to stupid to understand what was written in the OT?!?! Now there’s a good laugh! What exactly was “hidden” in the OT that man…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Hate to break it to you, not one of those verses cited spoke of a “sacrificed” Messiah. Keep guessing. Start in chapter 41 and read through 55, then tell me who the “servant” is. If you don’t read this section of Isaiah, placing it in the context it was written, you’re understanding is limited to what you have been told it says. Yo…[Read more]

@proclaimer

Listen Proclaimer, I’ve tried to be fair to you, but no, you had to push it.

When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom. Proverbs 11:2

@proclaimer

You: Shame on you. You will get what you deserve because you respect not the truth and the facts.

Me: You are a liar and a hypocrite.

@proclaimer

Your debunking arguments aren’t necessarily true.
Everybody can post some google material.
Just to be fair, I did the same.
Let the people decide which position is true or false.
Are you fair enough to leave it at that?

@proclaimer

You don’t get the point. You may have addressed every proof. I don’t know.
But that doesn’t mean that the proofs are debunked.
That was my point.

@Proclaimer,

I have an issue with the new testament IF what Paul wrote isn’t in the old testament. I still haven’t found where the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind or where the innocent are responsible for the guilt of another. This basic premise is what the entire new testament is about. IF neither of these basic ideas are stated w…[Read more]

@proclaimer

All flat earth evidence has been debunked in this thread.

No, that’s a lie.
Lies come from the father of lies.

@Proclaimer,

Don’t vouch for anything on that site; it’s filled with lies, with truth spattered here and there. The claim is Isa 53, Ps 16, Ps 22 are references to Jesus; I have looked into all of those passages and they don’t say what we where told they said. If you are simply looking at the English translations, you’re missing it; go to the sou…[Read more]

@proclaimer

Just to be fair, there are many flat earth and geocentric model
proofs in this thread as well.
Let the people decide which position is true or false.

@Proclaimer,

You have come up with an interesting “thought” explaining who the “our” is; however, it doesn’t fit and we still don’t know who the “our” actually is, you have once again speculated. The words written by Isaiah tell you who the “our” is; there is no guessing or speculating, you just have to read it, it tells you who is speaking. Ze…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,
To say I “made some big leaps.” Careful how you tread; to discount what I have written is to say Rabbi’s are clueless and have no understanding of the Tanakh. You want to learn what we call the old testament, find a Rabbi who is teaching it and learn. Modern scholars are clueless in comparison, which is why we have the belief Isa 5…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

If only verse 1 was talking about the unbelief of Israel, and being prefaced by “could be” tell me you’re not really sure yourself and are guessing. When was the last time you picked up a book, read a random paragraph from it, and where able to discuss what the book was about? My guess never, so why would you do that with God’s W…[Read more]