Stu, it is hard to describe what the colour green looks like to a blind man.You have to be able to see it for yourself.No point in saying that green doesn't exist because you are blind, because such a comment is only true in your minute experience of which doesn't even represent 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.1% of what…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 06 2007,20:58)Q1) Was the “me” that was foretold to be pierced and looked upon by the inhabitant of Jerusalem in Zech 12:10 a refererence to YHWH? If not, please provide lexical evidence to the contrary.I think the ME is YHWH. The one who is to be pierced (HIM) is Yeshua.It says “…They will look on me, the one they have pierced,…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 07 2007,08:38)Quote (Cult Buster @ May 07 2007,20:15)t8. Again your words which sounds like you are unsureI say it like this because I am not sure if the translation is completely accurate. If it is, then it appears to be YHWH.I am wisely compensating for this.Imagine if I said it is without any doubt and later found that the…[Read more]

Thanks david, If it is indeed a bad translation, then I am glad that I wrote in the beginning that I saw it this particular way as it was written, but was also open to the translation being bad and hence the confusion that Trinitarians had with this verse. The Trinitarians jumped all over me for saying it could be a bad translation. But in…[Read more]

Most of the verses where Jesus is suppose to be God is actually their lack of understanding that the verse is actually talking about God and Jesus. They then take the God part and attach it to the Jesus part of the verse. They do this with quite a number of their proof verses. I won't quote them all for reasons of time. But I am happy to add each…[Read more]

Another super weak argument is their lack of understanding with the definite article and what that means in Greek.They have no understanding that theos, adam, diábolos, can all be used to describe ones nature, and Theos, Adam, Devil, are used to identify a specific person who happens to be the originator of that nature. The only difference in a…[Read more]

Another super weak argument from Trinitarians that they use to support their Trinity doctrine is their lack of understanding of how 'theos' is used in Greek to describe not just the Almighty, but others.They also display a double standard. They say that Jesus is God himself because of the word el or theos appears to be applied to him. Let's…[Read more]

To add to the above.Imagine the Amazon River and then the biggest tributary and then a stream that flows into the tributary. Well from the smaller tributary's perspective, the larger tributary is the source. But the ultimate source is the Amazon, but that doesn't negate that the bigger tributary is the source of the smaller one.Jesus said, “I am…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 16 2011,08:40)Hi allT8 has recently brought up one of those “Jesus isn’t God fallacies” which goes like this…Jesus can’t be God because he is not the “source” but the “agent” of God.However the scriptures clearly debunk this fallacious argument.It is very telling of how they view Jesus. To them Jesus is like eve…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 16 2011,11:12)No, t8:Jesus is the basis for the “whole of creation”.  And so, the Logos of God pertains to him, but he is not the Logos.If he wasn't the Logos that was WITH God, then who was it?I cannot in good conscience write off two or more scriptures written in the same fashion as to being the one whom God created all…[Read more]

I should add if you have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of the usage of theos in scripture, the error will only be replicated when you read the word theos elsewhere, even in a commentary. Likewise if you think the word devil is always Satan, then you will similarly fail to understand any document that talks about the truth on Satan and…[Read more]

Cheers Mike.

Quote (Lightenup @ June 15 2011,16:20)I have understood this t8.  I understand that the Son is not the same being as the Father.  He is the Son of the Father.But you do not understand it Kathi because of your conclusion that Jesus is Almighty God too, all the while scripture tells us that there is God and there is Jesus.e.g., Romans 10:9because i…[Read more]

Gene, I haven't changed any rules when reading each verse. That is the difference. You need to in order to derive your understanding.

And the Logos was WITH God…Also, you conveniently ignore the definite article.The God and The Logos is the way it is written.Not The God and logos.You might need a small course on Greek grammar and the definite article.

Yes i can transfer it there. I will make the changes later today as there doesn't seem to be any opposition to it.

Quote (942767 @ June 15 2011,12:25)And so, the Logos pertains to Jesus, but he is not the Logos.OK.So you are saying that God literally made all through the Logos BUT symbolically through Jesus. Yet both scriptures pretty much say the same thing. How is it that you can add this condition externally to one and not the other? If I had that luxury I…[Read more]

So God literally made all things through the Logos and symbolically through Jesus? Or symbolically through both, according to you?It says “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.” And this is pertaining to the Logos, that was with God. I don't…[Read more]

Is this spirit body and spiritual body thing still going on.I am perplexed. What is the fascination?Earth or earth. One is our planet, the other is dirt.An easy mistake to make, but we should be intelligent enough to work out what the person is saying.Jesus knew men's hearts. We should be like him.

Nice one david.I will place that video here for convenience.