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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 19 2012,23:17)And as far as T8 saying GOD does not KILL that also is false becasue GOD himself Said “I KILL AND I MAKE ALIVE”. peace and love………………………………….geneGene, you sign this with peace and love. You forgot to mention lie or misquote.Here is my quote. It is very different to what you say…[Read more]

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    I think a number of you commenting about me is out of line. It shows that you do not read my posts or do not understand them.Please comment on posts that you read or understand. It would certainly be in line with being a peace maker.

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    If you knew scripture Bod, you would know that it says that no all who say lord lord shall enter the kingdom of God.It is carnal thinking to bundle people under labels like Christian. That word was given by the world to describe those that followed Christ.But the reality is that the Kingdom of God is not of this world. Only those who are spiritual…[Read more]

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    I checked out your video. This guy has a problem with Catholicism and other related denominations as to their tenants of faith.So do I.He didn't produce very much in the way of discrediting the bible however.If a person drives drunk and crashes his car, does that discredit the manufacturer of the vehicle he was driving?

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    No cover up Bod. Surely I am allowed to clear up any misconceptions regarding scripture Bod? I was pointing to the fact that when people say they saw God face to face, they saw his image. That is what the bible shows clearly.If I saw Michael the Archangel, I might say that I saw God as surely he is an image of God too.Seeing God's glory is the…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 20 2012,13:37)OK Frank. Now make this applicable to yourself by hearing these words.Although he existed in the form of God, he emptied himself and took on flesh, humbled himself, died, and was resurrected to the right hand of God and in the glory that he had with God before the world began.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2012,01:35)Hi T8,It is like reading the many corrupted versions of the bible,sure can get truth out of them, but you can also learn error.          YHVH wants us to come out of confusion.God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgYes there is degradation in some form in all translations for differing reas…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Atheism in the forum Debates 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 17 2012,03:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 14 2012,03:40)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 12 2012,22:06)I can tell you with certainty that the bible's cosmology is wrong.No, you actually can't, WIT.  Or at least you haven't shown me yet….It seems to me that if you can't prove the universe is NOT in a dome, then you can't, with any…[Read more]

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    Even Moses who saw God, still saw the Angel of God and not God himself. He saw an image.Exodus 3:2There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.Acts 7:30“After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 19 2012,03:22)To All………..There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, according to Jesus, So how is it that your SATAN is the GOD of any thing? MY GOD is SOVEREIGN over (ALL HIS CREATION) and that includes this PRESENT EARTH. If you make Satan your GOD then that is who you worship then while SATAN can be considered to be…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 19 2012,05:44)Isn't it funny how t8 rejects tradition regarding the trinity doctrine but subscribes to the foolish teachings of tradition on satan?KJkj, you are defeated already.If you want another round, then prepare for defeat again.You cannot prosper with your false doctrine.There is no good in a lie.

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    PS, you fail to see how God uses Satan to draw those of Satan.They are not in league, it is just that God can use anyone he likes to fulfill his will.e.g., Satan will rise after the thousand years to gather an army, that God will destroy.That is God using Satan to draw out from the people those that are of Satan, so that they can be bundled…[Read more]

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    It is sad that you resort God to the God of this world when we are told outright that the world is our enemy. We are told to not be of the world, and here you guys are saying that the world is of YHWH. In the name of your Trinity do you insult God with this and it shows that you do not fear God, but rather will twist any scripture to prove your…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 15 2012,10:07)2 Corinthians 4:4 as it reads in most translations:whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of the God, should shine on them.For much of my christian life life I was misled to believe that the “god of this age”…[Read more]

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 18 2012,05:38)Regarding Satan Jesus already stated “Would Satan cast out Satan? Islam rejects Satan even at every prayer, do you even do that? reject Satan at every prayer?Jesus taught us the way to pray and that was to address the Father. When praying to the Father, we also do not need to pray to Satan and tell him to…[Read more]

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    bodhitharta, you do not understand salvation.A soul that sins will die. It is a law. Just as any law requires a certain response, sin brings death.So we all die and we have the pneuma/breath that gives us life for a time, (like animals), but we do not have the baptism of the Spirit which is this life eternal. Yes the price has been paid for every…[Read more]

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 16 2012,14:34)The whole point of my posting here is to make it clear that God is greater than Jesus His Christ and the only resistance here is Christians Worshiping Jesus far above GOD whom although you call Him Father you treat Him secondary to Christ if that were not true we would have no argumentI think we can agree…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    For what it is worth.Many years ago, I asked a Jewish friend what the numerical value of W was in Hebrew. . He said something like this: “There is no W, but that letter was actually V (Vav). He then told me that Vav also represented the number 6. So I said to him that it meant that WWW had the value of 666 and he agreed that this was so given that…[Read more]

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    The Book of Enoch talks about the sons of God that came to the woman of men and bare children with them, (the Nephilim). These sons of God were duly punished. A brief mention of this is found in scripture along with other Enoch quotes in other parts of the bible.

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    It could be as simple as a son of God who falls is no longer a son of God.Just saying.

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