Let me get this straight.You guys (KJ, Gene, ftk) are saying that God is the ruler of this age/world?That is what it sounds like to me.

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 24 2012,04:00)t8 is NOT living up to his signature. The traditional view of the identity of “god” in clause 1 has been effectively refuted. The “hotheos” who blinds in clause 1 is the same “hotheos” in clause 2. Christ is the image of “hotheos” in clause 2. Therefore, “hotheos” in clause 1 cannot be satan.KJ, “the God”…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 23 2012,04:05)I think the way your worded it may have throw me off, Because you used God with a capital letter and murder together may have thrown me off , Because i do not see Satan as the God of anything, much less this earth. I see an “ADVERSARIAL” SPIRIT working (IN) men allowed by GOD who is SOVEREIGN OVER ALL the…[Read more]

Just read through this thread.I noticed that Stu ran away.

Notice KJ's last words in his quoted post above.Quote And he is NEVER called “the God” (hotheos) anywhere in the scriptures.I suspected right. This is his motivation right here.He refuses to accept that Satan is the God of this age or any kind of God, but unfortunately for him, 2 Corinthians 4:4 proves him wrong.

KJ's false teaching is below:Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 15 2012,10:07)2 Corinthians 4:4 as it reads in most translations:whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of the God, should shine on them.For much of my christian life life I was misled to believe…[Read more]

I want to take KJ to task on this.I want him to give a clear and defined explanation to the points I make.Hence I challenge KJ to a debate on this subject.My guess is he would prefer to not debate his latest false teaching, but if he wants to spite me by prove my assumption wrong then that is even better.I will go there now and set the debate up.

If anyone denies that the Devil is the ruler of this world/age, then they are deceived.

You guys realise that you do not have to quote all the time.I know that I give up reading conversations when 95% of each post is a quote from a previous post.It is so much easier to read a conversation when one person says something followed by another.It is a natural way to read and people know what you are talking about if they are following the…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 21 2012,06:35)So is ED a true Christian since you said that you can see who is a “real believer”You know them by their fruits Bod.I have never met Edj. I know very little about him outside of his written word and numbers.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2012,08:35)Quote (t8 @ Jan. 20 2012,21:33)Also, how to reconcile that the world is wicked and that you say that YHWH is the God of that wicked world?Is that not insulting to God?t8Is saying “YHHW is the God of the Universe or all of creation” Insulting to him since the wicked in the world are part of that universe…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 20 2012,21:33)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 20 2012,02:52)Stop acting childish! You previously said that this interpretation is a “trinitarian” error when Gene and Jodi Lee who are not trinitarians have been sayng all along that satan is no 'god' in any sense.I am pretty sure you comment about me is also wrong KJ because I don't…[Read more]

Bod you are always trying to convince people that Islam is the truth and that Christians shouldn't oppose Islam because commonalities are too great to do that. And then on the other hand you try to expose every possible error and paint a picture of mistrust in the bible and the verses that indirectly contradict the teachings in the Koran.See how…[Read more]

Bod, when any document is translated, it will contain error to some degree. That is a problem if you read one translation. If you are objective, you will read a number of translations as well as use tools like a concordance and will look up the Hebrew and Greek words if need be.Additionally, the bible has more than one family of texts that were…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2012,05:23)Quote (t8 @ Jan. 20 2012,14:11)Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2012,01:35)Hi T8,It is like reading the many corrupted versions of the bible,sure can get truth out of them, but you can also learn error.          YHVH wants us to come out of confusion.God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgYes there is d…[Read more]

It is of course possible that a person who defends the world is of the world.Did that thought cross any of your minds?

KJ, don't you get sick of being consistently wrong.Why not take a break from it. It might give new meaning to your life to take a break.You might start to hear the quiet voice that is often drowned out by ego and the world.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 19 2012,23:30)T8…………So we are to “HATE this WORLD” but Scripture say GOD so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son to it. To save it. So in you theology its OK for God to love the World but not us right? There is nothing wrong with this World, it is the System of Governments and the way people live,…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 20 2012,02:52)Stop acting childish! You previously said that this interpretation is a “trinitarian” error when Gene and Jodi Lee who are not trinitarians have been sayng all along that satan is no 'god' in any sense.I am pretty sure you comment about me is also wrong KJ because I don't even know what you are talking…[Read more]