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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,21:00)The game I like to play is to give direct answers to questions posed to me, which I've done several times tonight by the way.Do you believe this to be true.”Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”Yes or No.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 11 2012,01:44)If you don't have the theos who is Jesus, you don't have the theos who can be your Father.LU, if I have the son, who is my messiah and lord, and I love his God who is my God, then why do I need the additional condition that Jesus is also THE theos.I don't.I confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 11 2012,08:50)In what sense is He greater?Ask Jesus. He said it and I choose to believe him.And his God is our God.Good enough for me.

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    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 08 2012,18:18)God gave them curiosity then punished the first humans for expressing that “god-given gift”.That god is a sadist.StuartLook at it another way.They were in a state of bliss and lacked nothing.They loved God.But genuine love demands free will, otherwise it is just part of a program and because there is no choice to…[Read more]

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    Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 07 2012,23:47)Hi T8,But wakeup said that God wanted man to have the knowledge of good and evil, but would make them die if they got it from the only available source.My question was why. God either wanted them to have that knowledge, or he did not. You didn't answer that.TImAccording to scripture God did not want us to at…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,21:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,15:33)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,22:21)My God is the Father. I would never say otherwise.So your God is NOT the trinity of Father, Son, and Spirit?As I've said several times – my God is YHWH.Is the Father exclusively YHWH according to you?Or does the Tetragrammaton's…[Read more]

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    http://www.lnat.ac.uk/assets/sample_political.pdf

    This shows an interesting feature of political correctness. Political correctness hides behind denials. Politically correct people insist that the thing they will not say (because it is politically unacceptable to say it) is not true.  After all, they have to insist that it is not true in order…[Read more]

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    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 10 2012,21:28)My Concise Oxford dictionary has two senses of the word spiritual(ity) that do not mention spirits.  The paragraph of definitions at the start of the Wikipedia article doesn't mention spirits at all.  Perhaps you should go on there are correct it.StuartOkay spiritual has no association with spirit. Just c…[Read more]

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    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 10 2012,21:22)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 09 2012,11:42)Regarding gigantism, we know from the fossil record that many species that exist today were much bigger in the past. Redwoods, dragonflies, reptiles (dinos), even kangaroos.And I also work with Photoshop and could easily replicate that picture. I could also do that with a mere camera…[Read more]

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    In order to answer this question accurately, can you point to a scripture that says Jesus is called 'THE theos'. Please do not give me the Thomas declaration. As I have said before because it has a double definite article, Thomas could well have been referring to Jesus and then the Father as ultimately that is where all praise goes to.

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    Quote (Stu @ Mar. 15 2010,22:51)I cannot disprove your god, just as you cannot disprove any of the Roman gods.  That does not constitute a good reason for believing in any gods.Illogical St.Logic dictates the need for a designer/creator/God.Once you accept that, then you can go on a journey to know that God. You are arguing point 2, and ignoring…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,18:02)Mike – instead of just throwing out baseless assertions DEFINE YOUR TERMS. Prove to us that it logically follows that since Yeshua has His Father as His God He is inferior in His natureI think you are adding in stuff here.Jesus said that his Father was greater than him.No need to get into an ontological argument…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 10 2012,17:46)The Godhead of Kathi is the God of Jesus and Jesus…together with their Spirit…the YHWH Echad, the eternal unity. I have made this clear on many occasions and in my signature.Your God however, is not the God of Jesus. The God of Jesus was His Father, not His creator.There you go babbling again.Our God is…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,17:42)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 10 2012,14:18)Good question Mike. And either way she answers, she is caught in her own craftiness.If she answers yes, then she admits that God is the Father like us.If she answers no, then she is saying that she doesn't have God.Hopefully she answers yes.What do you mean by “God is the Father…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,18:04)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:58)david. Angels are spirits and we have spirits.Angels have different bodies to us, but we will become like the angels eventually.The spirit of man comes from God who we know is a spirit.What is the point of clarifying this in terms of the topic?Are you suggesting that we have spirits…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 08 2012,05:05)To all…….Why do people want to make Jesus into a different kind of being in the first place.You lack understanding.We believe that Jesus is who he is from scripture.I can show you scripture that shows you what I believe.In fact I could just quote the scripture and that would be good enough.Is it not…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    Good question Mike. And either way she answers, she is caught in her own craftiness.If she answers yes, then she admits that God is the Father like us.If she answers no, then she is saying that she doesn't have God.Hopefully she answers yes.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    Alright, I will knock off a few easy ones now.Quote The Word of YHWH was equal to YHWH in the minds of the OT Jews.Even being equal to something infers that you are not that thing you are equal. e.g., 2+3 = 4+1. Notice how 2&3 are actually not 4&1 even though they are equal. And you don't say that 3 is equal to 3 because that is irrelevant. Hence…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    david. Angels are spirits and we have spirits.Angels have different bodies to us, but we will become like the angels eventually.The spirit of man comes from God who we know is a spirit.What is the point of clarifying this in terms of the topic?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,15:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,20:08)t8,Define spirit in this context “God is spirit.”Then define spirit in this context, “He gives His spirit to beings and that spirit, if not remaining, returns to God.”I agree.  You can't just believe that the word spirit is always used the same way.  The word translated s…[Read more]

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