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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 28 2012,02:41)To all………All doctrines that separate Jesus from humanity is False,  Jesus never “Preexisted” his Berth on this earth in any form what so ever.Who here is separating Jesus from humanity?Although he existed in the form of God;He emptied himself;Partook of flesh, that is he was born as a man into this…[Read more]

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    Would it make you happier if I cast pearls before swine or should I exercise wisdom regarding that. Surely the latter. And in the decade or so that you have been here, have I ever asked anyone to join a denomination or have I allowed a discussion to freely flow in order to let the truth stand out among the lies.What makes you think that this is…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2012,16:50)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 26 2012,20:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,07:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2012,15:26)t8-Where does scripture say that the judges were theos?Where have men been called theos?Where are angels called theos?I asked t8 this question in the quoted post and did not get an answer but scripture…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2012,16:45)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 26 2012,19:56)What 3 scriptures. Please post them in one post.I haven't got time for hunting right now.t8,The three scriptures that I have already shown you are:Heb 1:8But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your k…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2012,18:27)STRAW MAN FALLACY.You are creating an unrelated argument, perhaps with a hint of ad hominin, to help your case.  As I have pointed out to you many times already: none of this in any way has to do with what JW believe.  Why would it?  They believe as you do.  Do you understand that?  Regarding demons, they beli…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2012,18:18)T8, do you believe that psychosis is real?Do you believe in Voluntary termination of pregnancy?Well if you mean abortion, then yes.See what I am trying to avoid? No. Okay, I am trying to avoid the connotations that come with what you are saying. Let me explain.Do I believe that psychosis is real. Yes, if you are…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2012,15:01)Kathi,I read your last two posts, but there is nothing in them worth responding to. You are just rehashing your same old stories – despite the fact they don't address this current point that kills your doctrine completely.Yes that is the truth. And no amount of rehashing or repeating is ever going to make it…[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,18:23)Hi T8,   I guess Pierre is OK then, right?“I have yet many things to say unto you,   but ye cannot bear them now.” (John 16:12)How about David, does he have enough 'truth' for you?Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,20:27)Maybe people are just not aware of how much harsher judgement is if you are a teacher.        When…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2012,07:03)Gene,The only begotten Son, firstborn over all creation, through which creation came and who has the title 'the First and the Last' would have been eternally existent within the Father and begotten from the Father before all things in heaven and on earth came into being.Like the Jews of the first century…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,20:15)Well, t8, the 'YHWH Echad' is what I have been calling it and you know this so why do you pretend that you don't? A married couple is two persons but you don't call a married couple a binity. Why must a unity of two persons be called a binity when speaking of God? Do you attach a numeral to every unity? If…[Read more]

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    Supposedly when the believers got their act together or something like that. The first century I think. Then they believed that Jesus returned in 1914, of course I wasn't around, but I doubt that this is the Millennial reign.So all the gifts, casting out demons, etc, is all demonic now.Looks the same, smells the same, but changed from godly to the…[Read more]

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    Quote (Guncher @ Nov. 27 2012,08:14)Hi StuYes respect has to be earnedMy son is an atheist and on occasions mention the trouble that religion has caused. I wholeheartedly agree with himThere isa book written called Foxe's Book of Martyrs. It describes how Catholics burned Protestants and give versa. It made me sickI have a favourite song called…[Read more]

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    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 25 2012,00:25)I guess you should just carry on beating yourself up for being a human then.StuartWell better than beating yourself up for being an ape. My guess is you would knock yourself out.

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    AWHN, Stu is a mere ape going through mid-life crisis, I think. He can read around 5 sentences at once and then complains that he never gets any evidence.Just say the word 'banana'. That usually pacifies him.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,07:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2012,15:26)t8-Where does scripture say that the judges were theos?Where have men been called theos?Where are angels called theos?I asked t8 this question in the quoted post and did not get an answer but scripture that do not specifically say that judges are theos, or men, or angels.…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 9 months ago

    What 3 scriptures. Please post them in one post.I haven't got time for hunting right now.

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    1 Corinthians 1313 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2012,18:55)Surely you have heard of psychosis or schizophrenia?T8, just as you ask me, now i ask you: do you believe that psychosis is real?  (If there is a person that hears a voice coming from their stomach and it tells them to burn things, how do we determine whether it is psychosis, or a demon?)For me, if you live in a…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2012,18:48)Quote Please move on. As I said before, the wise thing to do is to look at scripture because this is a case of having to be there and my word which I know is proof to no one. And I don't care anyway. It is of no advantage that you believe me or not. But you want me to believe you. And more importantly, you want…[Read more]

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    What is important about the Space Race is that it can have military application too.

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