BTW, I have seen many of these Kingdoms from TV and have personally visited the Kingdom of Tonga. But yeah, TeleVISION has helped me see many things. I guess that Jesus had a VISION Stu. A bit like TeleVISION, but GodVISION.In fact, much of the Bible is written accounts of VISIONS.I have had many VISIONS myself. But you would deny that reality…[Read more]

Kathi, I don't have access to he Greek Text of Ignatius, and I likely do not have the time to dissect his text even if I had. However, I have already covered both sides of the coin in a previous post and neither is saying that Jesus is the Most High God. And I have further proof which you have obviously overlooked in your zeal to prove you are the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,18:56)So, I'll choose #4.4) Judas was devil-like.Yes you are right. Judas was devil-like.But, apologies. I made a mistake with option 3. It should have read, 3) That Judas had the character or nature of the DevilI was trying to convey that he had some of the Devil's qualities in that option. It was not my intention…[Read more]

If Jesus did not know the day nor the hour that means even he did not know everything. Thus only God knows all things.Whatever we know has been released to us in some way.

Oh okay. A higher dimension then.Where can I buy a 4D TV?

Yes 2besee, I honestly did not get your point. Just telling it as it is.The fault may well be mine.

2besee, I never read his whole post because it was not worthy.

Kathi and Mike,When Jesus said about Judas, “one of you is devil”, was he saying:1) That Judas was the Devil (Satan).2) That Judas was a devil (excluding Satan)3) That Judas had the characteristics or nature of the Devil4) Another explanationWhat is your choice?

Also ask yourself, if being brought forth in eternity means that you existed in all eternity?

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,17:47)Ignatius in other writings calls the Son, the eternal Word. Do you believe that the Son was the eternal Word, t8?Kathi, I am not sure what sense he was saying this because I would have to see the context. But for now, ask yourself, “do you have eternal life?”.

No I didn't miss that.But I saw the pattern and you did not.Most High God + the Father, and of Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son + the Churchanswers to:Jesus Christ, + our God and Saviour; + the ChurchAnd all the other mentions follow the pattern but do not include the Church, i.e., God and Jesus.Sure it does mention Jesus first and if Ignatius…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,16:55)Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Most High God the Father, and of Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is sanctified and enlightened by the will of God, who formed all things that are according to the faith and love of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,16:55)Ignatius was a disciple of the writer of John 1:1 wrote this:The Epistle of Ignatius to the RomansShorter and Longer VersionsIgnatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Most High Father, and Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is…[Read more]

Kathi, I am glad you brought up 'theiotes'. I looked at this some years back and want to revisit it.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,07:53)t8,It seems to me, before this post of yours, you were making a case that said only the first man created and known as 'Adam' would be 'the adam' and nobody else. Do you deny this? Although you have admitted that Jesus is also 'the adam' as the second Adam.I haven't specifically said that, but within the…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2013,12:51)Jesus also has “sheep not of this fold”, other inhabited worlds under his creatorship. 10,000,000 under his authority. They were able to watch his life in the flesh while on earth through a special broadcast. They also received his gospel.Any idea what channel that was on. Can we pick up that channel on Earth?

Good post Mike.Although I know that 'theos' and 'divine' are different words, I use it to help the reader understand what is meant. Rather than saying it is God himself, it is saying it is like God or derived from his nature. I think of it like this.Man is flesh.God is divine.The Man has flesh nature.The God has god nature or divine nature.So when…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 23 2013,00:24)t8,We could never have the spirit as Jesus did. We are sinners, Jesus was not a sinner.I am far too tired to be posting at the moment. Later.John 14:17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 23 2013,01:02)The Holy Spirit was IN HIM, speaking THROUGH Him. Was that simple enough? The two became as if one.Agreed. So when the Holy Spirit speaks through me what is happening. Am I the Spirit? Is this the point?T8,And T8 spoke and said “let the cat out.”And the Spirit spoke and said “let the cat out.”And Yawheh spoke and…[Read more]