Hi Mike.

Did we engage in a setup debate regarding Jesus being begotten vs created? If so, do you know where it is?

1) I don’t hate the bible, but I don’t like it’s petrification, false sacredness and the false claim that God wrote it as well as the human accusations against God made in parts of it.

You don’t hate the bible BUT…

Enough said.

terraricca

when it says all humans have been created through Adam this is true but this is from ADAM and beyond ,so not including Adam

But if it said that the definition of a man was that who was created through Adam and that all who were not created through Adam are not man, then by that definition, Adam would not be a man.

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I surrendered my life to God 29+ years ago. I seek his word (which is living) and do his will which is found by seeking in prayer and in spirit. The problem with bible worshipers is that they have a relationship with a book as a substitute for trusting God.

If anything, you have a relationship with a book Colter. Most of us here are not promoting…[Read more]

The main reason people do not believe in God is because they don’t want to . God is not part of their fantasy, so they accept a fable that the prefer.

Same goes for God’s revelation and word to man. He spoke through the Prophets and then through the son. This does not fit with many fantasies, delusions, and myths of men, so they just choose to…[Read more]

Also, you absolutely do not believe the following:

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 

You basically say that Jesus is excluded by reason of common sense. The problem is that it doesn’t mention the exclusion you speak of, and worse, it then makes an even bigger statement making your view all the…[Read more]

@mikeboll64

I read your last post. This is my reply to that.

1. The word ‘create’ in scripture is used of ‘man’. Where is that same word used of the ‘Word’ or ‘Jesus’ before coming in the flesh?
2. Yes we are begotten of God, this is the hope that we have. But that doesn’t negate that we were created or made by God through his Word etc. It just…

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@GeneBalthrop

T8…….Jesus is said to be the SECOND Adam , Seeing some say, He Created Adam. Did he create himself, as another ADAM also?, If ALL things were created BY him and For him , then that would also have to include the second Adam also, after all, ALL means ALL, right? I am not saying you believe that , because I don’t think you do, b…

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@GeneBalthrop

T8…… If you say while we may reach the fullness of Christ and the say CHRIST reached the fullness of God , you are incorrect, there is no scripture that I recall that say’s christ Jesus reached the fullness of God. While God did dwell IN HIM, that in no way is saying the he (Jesus) ever reached to the FULLNESS of GOD. In fact Jesus…

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@EdJ

Are you suggesting that the term “only begotten” refers to a special preexistent state.
There is no evidence to suggest that is what the term means at all; unless you have some,
do you? Why can’t it instead simply mean that Jesus had no human biological father?

In Hebrews Isaac is referred to as Abraham’s only begotten son. (ref. Heb 11:…

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@terraricca

Yes “the word” is the only one created directly by God ;and for this Christ his the ONLY ONE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ;IF HE WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE CREATED BY GOD ;<HE WOULD NOT BE THE ONLY ONE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD >for God created many other sons

this is what Paul means;Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all…

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ISIS crucifixions

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719991/Horrific-new-photographs-ISIS-atrocities-prompted-Obama-act.html

ISIS killing Christians

Please pray for our brethren in this part of the world.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/08/06/idesk-iraq-christians-persecuted-mark-arabo-intv.cnn.html

ISIS killing Christians and beheading children

Please pray for our brethren in this part of the world.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/08/06/idesk-iraq-christians-persecuted-mark-arabo-intv.cnn.html

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Fiction is fun and it explores interesting ideas sometimes. I would never trade it for the words of eternal life though. Our souls are too precious to gamble on fantasy. The most genuine souls want the truth only.

Another miracle of Nature Some Israelis Say Protected Them During the Gaza Fighting

A second miracle was reported by a group of religious Jews who in early July, right before the fighting broke out, traveled to southern Israel to harvest wheat in advance of the biblical sabbatical year. According to the biblical mandate, Jews are supposed to…[Read more]