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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 4 years ago

    150 AD Justin Martyr “The Father of the universe has a Son, who also being the first begotten Word of God, is even God.”

    I’m pretty sure that he is saying that he is divine or has the nature of God just as John 1 states.

    But it seems that many in the years after such writings were confused about the nature vs identity thing.

    Origen says this reg…[Read more]

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    Lost Weather Balloon GoPro Found Two Years Later with Incredible Footage
    In June 2014, five friends in Arizona planned to send a GoPro, a camcorder, and a phone up in a weather balloon to record some footage of space. Bryan Chan, Ved Chirayath, Ashish Goel, Paul Tarantino, and Tyler Reid, all college students, built their gadget, calculated its…[Read more]

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    You need to be more like the Bereans who studied scripture to see if things were so. I get it though. You belong to a denomination. They have a doctrine. It is settled. But not all are like that of course. When you delve into the scriptures, there are many traditions that are not supported. This nullifies the power of God in one’s life.

    For…[Read more]

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    PROCLAIMER, IF I SPOKE OF “BACK IN THE MORNING OF THE THIRD DAY OF MY GRANDMOTHER” – WOULD I BE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC LITERAL DAY?  OR A VERY LONG UNSPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME?

    I’m willing to bet that your grandmother is human.

    A day for a human is usually 12 or 24 hours.

    But not for God.

    And I do find it funny that you believe there was ev…[Read more]

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    Our week is a reflection of the creation week. It is not the same in timing as has been proven.

    You just need to renew your mind and have eyes to see.

    But once indoctrinated, it is human nature to defend what they have believed, even beyond reason.

    Such are not being led by the Spirit as the Spirit reveals truth and changes us each…[Read more]

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    Mike, very few people will subscribe to your world view.

    You say that God created a flat earth in 6 x 24 hour periods, despite the Sun which gives us night and day being created for half of those days.

    Most will just ignore you Mike.

    I do not know if you are like this because your heart is wayward and this guides your mind or if you have issues…[Read more]

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    Young Earth Creationism
    Mike, it’s all very simple.

    You say a day is always 24 hours and Genesis is no exception.

    But when you see that there is day and night, then you see that day can mean around 12 hours which is not 24 hours.

    Then when you read that a day to God is not like a day to us and that we were not even around, then it becomes…[Read more]

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    When Flat Earthers Ruled
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    Berean, I am not saying it is a thousand years. Certainly it is not 24 hours is what you can draw from this. why do so many here always err in their assessments? I believe it is because many religious persons are brainwashed. They are no longer able to reason because of indoctrination.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 4 years ago

    Do you agree that Jesus is the only proper Son and all other beings called “sons” are not proper sons but instead created sons? And what specifically do you think that means, to be a “proper son” of God?

    I would say that he came directly from God. Whereas creation came from God through the Word.

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    No, it’s not a contradiction, because the expression “in the day” simply means “at the time”.

    Exactly. Thank you!

    So a day in scripture is not always 24 hours.

    You said it yourself.

    Of course, a day is mostly 24 hours or 12 or so hours because it is used in our (everyday) context.

    But for God, the context is different.

    He is not a man that…[Read more]

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    @dannyd

    Here is a 5 ton ball holding onto water. It is not flying off like FEers make out.
    Of course the water is falling down slowly, but that is because of earth’s gravity. But in reality, this ball is spinning hundreds if not thousands of times faster than earth.

    Try this yourself. Soak a tennis ball in water. Next, spin it once in 24 hours.…[Read more]

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    @berean

    When people accept at face value what Genesis is teaching and accept the days as ordinary days, they will have no problem understanding what the rest of Genesis is all about.

    Here is one contradiction with your view. There are many more.

    These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the…[Read more]

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    Really Danny? Lol.

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    Good words gene.

    Any chance of jumping over to the flat earth thread and posting a rebuke or correction of some kind.

    I know you have not fallen for this foolishness.

    And now we have Mike trying to gain danny as a flat earth disciple.

    Lol. Let’s see what he does.

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    @berean

    Ancient man or even men from centuries gone by have had less knowledge. One of the signs of the end times is the increase in knowledge and certainly today, we live in the information age.

    Men then observe their world and understand scripture from their perspective. If I am in the train doing a continuous 100kmh without acceleration or…[Read more]

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    Danny, you can google what gravity is, so there is no reason for me to define it for you. I will just add my 2 cents worth about gravity that I understand.

    1. Sir Isaac Newton came up with the theory. He is arguably the greatest scientist who ever lived. But he actually dedicated most of his academic life to bible study. I read somewhere than he…

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    Actor Jon Voight has weighed in on the FBI’s raid of Mar-a-Lago by calling on Americans to pray that former president Donald Trump “rises from this evil act” and makes a “comeback stronger than ever”.

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