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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer in the forum Proclaimer 11 years, 5 months ago

    It would make no difference from our point if view if we went to be with Jesus immediately or if we slept and awoke to be with him. Unless sleeping meant consciousness, then we would die and the next thing we know would be us with Christ, except time would have passed by in the meantime. I am open to either view.

    It is written that the dead in…[Read more]

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    It would make no difference from our point if view if we went to be with Jesus immediately or if we slept and awoke to be with him. Unless sleeping meant consciousness, then we would die and the next thing we know would be us with Christ, except time would have passed by in the meantime. I am open to either view.

    It say that the dead in Christ…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    Without the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ the son of God, there would be no salvation for sinful man.

    Salvation does not mean we ignore the commandments though. Repentance is a key factor in obtaining and keeping salvation.

    Further, Jesus lived when the Law was present. After his death, a new covenant written with his blood was…[Read more]

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    @DavidL

    agreed – only Christ is one with the Father..

    How many times will it take for you to realise that your predefined man-made doctrine makes you teach false doctrine and err in a myriad of ways. And how many scriptures will it take before you realise that scripture actually rebukes and corrects you time and time again. You lack u…[Read more]

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    @DavidL

    agreed – only Christ is one with the Father..

    How many times will it take for you to realise that your predefined man-made doctrine makes you teach false doctrine and err in a myriad of ways. And how many scriptures will it take before you realise that scripture actually rebukes and corrects you time and time again. You lack u…[Read more]

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    @DavidL

    agreed – only Christ is one with the Father..

    How many times will it take for you to realise that your predefined man-made doctrine makes you teach false doctrine and err in a myriad of ways. And how many scriptures will it take before you realise that scripture actually rebukes and corrects you time and time again. You lack u…[Read more]

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    @DavidL

    agreed – only Christ is one with the Father..

    How many times will it take for you to realise that your predefined man-made doctrine makes you teach false doctrine and err in a myriad of ways. And how many scriptures will it take before you realise that scripture actually rebukes and corrects you time and time again. You lack u…[Read more]

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    agreed – only Christ is one with the Father..

    How many times will it take for you to realise that your predefined man-made doctrine makes you teach false doctrine and err in a myriad of ways. And how many scriptures will it take before you realise that scripture rebukes and corrects you.

    John 17:21
    I pray that they will all be one, just as you a…[Read more]

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    agreed – only Christ is one with the Father..

    How many times will it take for you to realise that your predefined man-made doctrine opposes hundreds of scriptures?

    John 17:21
    I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    1 Corinthians 15:54-57
    54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

    55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
        Where, O death, is your sting?”
    56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    1 Corinthians 15:54-57
    54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

    55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
        Where, O death, is your sting?”
    56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    I thought the entire point was somehow Jesus stopped the reign of death but the scripture you chose say that death did not reign after Moses

    Good question. I think it is referring to the Law of Moses though, which was still in effect when Jesus came among us.

    So Adam brought in sin and death, and Moses brought in the Law which imputed sin,…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    I thought the entire point was somehow Jesus stopped the reign of death but the scripture you chose say that death did not reign after Moses

    Good question. I think it is referring to the Law of Moses though, which was still in effect when Jesus came among us.

    So Adam brought in sin and death, and Moses brought in the Law which imputed sin,…[Read more]

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    Jesus took punishment upon himself so we could be spared that punishment. He received stripes so we could be spared them.

    Isaiah 53:5
    But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

    1 Peter 2:24
    Who his own self bare our sins in his ow…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 5 months ago

    Romans 5:12-15
    12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned–
    13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law
    14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness…[Read more]

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    @Genebalthrop

    IF EVIL COMES IT COMES, DON’T RESIST IT,

    Is the Devil evil?

    1 John 5:18
    We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.

    James 4:7
    Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

    So you say not to resist evil, b…[Read more]

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    BD, ‘worship’ is the same word as ‘honour’.

    In scripture we see that men rightly so worshipped/honoured the Father as the one true God.

    In scripture we see that men rightly so worshipped/honoured Jesus Christ as the son of God and the Lamb of God.

    Mohammed denied in his teachings and in the Koran that Jesus is the son of God and the Lamb of…[Read more]

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    The Father wants you to receive His Son, Jesus Christ…

    This is what we teach. But you teach that the Father of God wants us to believe that the Son of God and the Spirit of God is the one and same God.

    Let’s be real about this. It is more gobbledy gook from Babletown.

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    I believe that Jesus, as the Son, exists in a place of equality with the Father…He is with God – He is God…(one in complete unity)

    @DavidL. He is with God. That makes HE and GOD. The former is the Son of God. Identifying Jesus Christ as the son of God is the true confession. He is Lord, Messiah, and Son of the living God.

    Be careful not to deny…[Read more]

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    The fastest growing religion, Islam, teaches that God has not a son. Thus, they deny the Father and the Son making that religion antichrist. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is God, thus they subtly deny the Father and the Son because one is meant to be God and the other the Son of God. If the Son of God is God, then you deny the Son…[Read more]

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