“Drip down, O heavens, from above,
And let the clouds pour down righteousness;
Let the earth open up and salvation bear fruit,
And righteousness spring up with it.
I, the Lord, have created it.

Hey, put your 12 year old son on the phone.  Let me talk to a reasonable person for a while.

As long as you don’t mind him laughing. You have provided my family free entertainment, so I guess he could thank you for that.

I see.  So “waters above the heavens” (PLURAL) could mean “waters above the first heaven” (SINGULAR)?  Is that your argument here?  It’s like I’m talking to a freaking idiot.  Hey, put your 12 year old son on the phone.  Let me talk to a reasonable person for a while.

Could be.

7 Sing to the Lord with thanksgiving;
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“The heavens declare the glory of God… AND… THE raqia shows His handiwork.” ?

If the raqia is called heaven, but lets say specifically a part of the heavens, then good. That doesn’t prove the earth is a floating pizza does it? It would only mean that the raqia was then the first and second heavens. So context would explain which one.

How many raqias are actually mentioned in the Bible?

As many as the contexts.

How many heavens?

As many as the contexts too.

And God called the raqia – heaven.

Boom!

Not at all.  I’ve already addressed this many times.  Find one of those posts, QUOTE what I said to you, and then respond to what I said.  You do it that way, and I’m happy to have a lengthy and respectable discussion about this issue.

Nope, neither you or any other flattie has a video of bringing back the sun after it has gone over the curve.…[Read more]

 Can you see that CLOUDS are explicitly mentioned as something OTHER THAN the “waters above heaven”?  YES or NO?

David or whoever is praising God and is speaking from his own understanding. Whether the clouds are above or in the midst is not really conclusive. According to the Psalmist, the clouds cover the heavens. So when you look up and see c…[Read more]

waters above the heavens

Could be first heaven. There are at least three.

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.

Scripture has debunked most of your ideas Mike.

Like what?  I debunked your “multiple raqias” argument.

Nope. Your being stupid again.

You have not debunked my multiple heavens idea and God called the raqia – heaven.

You have no answer. Cat got your tongue again?

Now, about that “water outside the universe”.  No go, Champ.  God opened the windows of the firmament and allowed some of the waters above to flood the earth.  Impossible in the “waters outside the universe” safety device that you just invented out of desperation.

Sounds like clouds to me.

Mike  you guys claim to bring back small boats from over the supposed curve. Great. Now for something easier. Bring back the sun.

Cat got your tongue?

Mike, you are  desparately drawing at straws. Instead  get your camera gear and bring back the sun. Challenge us with facts. We will never believe the ramblings of a nutter. Give us something substantial to work with. But I guess you can’t right?

Notice how the first line doesn’t quite match the second. “You were RIGHT all along… but you have also been WRECKED by the facts!” 😁

Nope.

I have never said this is the only interptetation. I have simply put forth a few views that you couldn’t debunk. And I still think one particular view makes more sense than the others both biblically and sci…[Read more]

AD doesn’t mean after death or after Christ. It means Anno Domini, the year of our lord. That is his birth.

Sorry to burst your bubble Mike, but even if you are right about the raqia thing, it doesn’t prove a flat earth. I admit it is possible that there could be water outside the universe, but I seriously doubt it. So if this is the best you can do, then you might want to take up another hobby.

You have been totally wrecked with the facts, but just…[Read more]

Flat Earth Scientist gives evidence

This little exchange sums up the entire debate quite nicely. There are people pointing out what God’s written word actually says about a matter, and other people LAUGHING at what God’s written word says about it – as if “this is what the scriptures say” is some kind of a joke or something. Shame.

Once again you misunderstand. It was his answer, n…[Read more]

God is eternal.

He inhabits creation by his Spirit.

He is outside creation because not even heaven can contain him.

His Spirit flows from the throne of God and the river of life through the paradise of God.

Beyond the throne is God.

Yes, the Lord dwells in heaven.

But are you saying that heaven was not created?

If it was, then before creation God was not in heaven.

Simple.

If heaven always existed and God is inside. Then is heaven bigger than God like earth is bigger than you?

Something for you to meditate on.

One more.

In a flat earth, how can the Tropic of Capricorn have less circumference than the equator?

Definitely good night.