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Proclaimer replied to the topic Was Donald chosen by God? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 9 months ago
Okay, will do.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
So, Jesus is basically saying that He is the God of Israel who was coming to save His people as promised to Isaiah.
I will let Paul teach you.
“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
God saved us by sending his son. This is part of the gospel. And when you dig deeper into…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
So, Jesus is basically saying that He is the God of Israel who was coming to save His people as promised to Isaiah.
I will let Paul teach you.
“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
God saved us by sending his son. This is part of the gospel. And when you dig deeper into…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
So, Jesus is basically saying that He is the God of Israel who was coming to save His people as promised to Isaiah.
I will let Paul teach you.
“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
God saved us by sending his son. This is part of the gospel. And when you dig deeper into…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
We know that Jesus came into the world not to show Himself as God, but as the Lamb, the Messiah, that’s why He did not show the entire truth about Himself, and we find only few verses about His true identity… but from the many verses in the Scripture we learn that Jesus claims equality with the Father many times, and that should be enough. Exce…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
We know that Jesus came into the world not to show Himself as God, but as the Lamb, the Messiah, that’s why He did not show the entire truth about Himself, and we find only few verses about His true identity… but from the many verses in the Scripture we learn that Jesus claims equality with the Father many times, and that should be enough. Exce…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
We know that Jesus came into the world not to show Himself as God, but as the Lamb, the Messiah, that’s why He did not show the entire truth about Himself, and we find only few verses about His true identity… but from the many verses in the Scripture we learn that Jesus claims equality with the Father many times, and that should be enough. Exce…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Clearly these verses are talking about the Son and He is referred to as Theos!
Yes there are verses that talk about Jesus with the word ‘theos’ or equivalent, just as it is also used to refer to angels, judges of Israel, and Moses.
Further, even idols and Satan are called ‘theos’.
Again, the question was in relation to the Most High God as…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Clearly these verses are talking about the Son and He is referred to as Theos!
Yes there are verses that talk about Jesus with the word ‘theos’ or equivalent, just as it is also used to refer to angels, judges of Israel, and Moses.
Further, even idols and Satan are called ‘theos’.
Again, the question was verses that show the Most High God as…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Also the Hebrew verse, Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
Don’t you mean Heb 1:8?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
John 1:1 also does not work: and the Word was God.
This takes to long to explain to a Trinitarian, so I will just point you to a page that I wrote on this very subject. I know it is long, but it kind of needs to be because of the questions that get asked. Hopefully it answers any questions that spring to mind. Regardless, it is up to you to test…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
You are asking for verses where God refers Not to the Father but the Most High? I have already shoved you the verses many times: Genesis 18, Exodus 24, Isaiah 6. (I know these are not “theos” but essentially the same, just different language).
You are kidding me. Are you saying that the three men are the Trinity?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
So, here, in verse 11, clearly the voice that says “I am the Alpha and the Omega…..” comes from One like the Son of Man, who is clearly Jesus, not the Father, because the Father is not like the Son of Man (where in the Scripture does it say that the Father is like the Son of Man?)
I have already said that the first part is referring to the LORD G…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
So, here, in verse 11, clearly the voice that says “I am the Alpha and the Omega…..” comes from One like the Son of Man, who is clearly Jesus, not the Father, because the Father is not like the Son of Man (where in the Scripture does it say that the Father is like the Son of Man?)
I have already said that the first part is referring to the LORD G…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
So, from those Revelation verses that I quoted, you should already be able to see that The Father says that He is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, The Beginning and the End, and then in latter verses Jesus also uses this title for Himself.
Please pay attention so we don’t have to repeat ourselves. I will do it though for the sake…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Did you not read my post? Replacing *ALL* God with the Father also does NOT work!
The instances where it doesn’t work is where the Most High is not being referred to. This is the point. My point is not that ‘theos’ always refers to the Father, but that “theos” in context of the Most High is always the Father.
For example:
Jesus said: “ye are g…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Did you not read my post? Replacing *ALL* God with the Father also does NOT work!
The instances where it doesn’t work is where the Most High is not being referred to. This is the point. The point is not that ‘theos’ is always used to refer to the Father, but that “theos” in context of the Most High is always the Father.
For example:
Jesus said:…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The False "Church System" Deception in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Because light came into the world and man preferred darkness.
Proclaimer replied to the topic The coming four blood moons in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 9 months ago
Yes, that is why they are used as signs and seasons. Nature’s clock.
Proclaimer replied to the topic The coming four blood moons in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 9 years, 9 months ago
Yes, that is why they are used as signs and seasons.
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