The False “Church System” Deception

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  • #817932
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    Agreed but not many did why was that . ?

    #817940
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    Because light came into the world and man preferred darkness.

    #817959
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    right ,what is change since then ?

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    Marty

    He gave me the following dream: “on the first step going out there was some chewing gum, and as I started out, I stepped on it and my foot stuck to the step.  God has also showed me that he would correct the church trough me.  You are correct that we must all go before the judgment seat of God to receive what we have done in this body “whether good or evil”.  Jesus gave his life for his people.

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    I know the scriptures talk about to remove bad fruits from the good ones ,but I never read that we can put a good fruit into a basket of bad fruits and hope they will become good fruits , is this a new wisdom ?

    Jesus came to his people for a purpose that no one can duplicate ,,for the choice is in our hands to do good or bad ,

    if at the time of the flood God would not have seen Noah creation would have been wiped out ,Gen 6

    it is for the righteous that Jesus came not for the wicked ones right ? (I do understand we are all sinners ,but what makes a real wicked is that they like their wickedness and so reject righteousness )

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    Hi Pierre:

    It is true that when Jesus comes for the church, only those that in the body of Christ will be saved. However. until he does come, there is time for anyone that is still alive to repent.

    The disciples wanted to uproot the tares from the wheat, but Jesus told them to let them grow together until the harvest and then he would send his angels to gather the tares to bind them in bundles to be burned. He told them that if they tried to uproot the tares at that time, they might well uproot some of the wheat with the tares. I am not the judge as to who is a tare and who is not.

    I know that I was member of a Southern Baptist church at the time of my born again experience, but although I was a member of a congregation, I was not in the Lord’s church at that time, and so, you might say that I was a tare among some that may have been wheat. The Lord did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. This is not new wisdom, but it is scriptural.

    Matthew 13:

    27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

    28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

    29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

    30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

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    Marty

    I agree with most you say but the part that Jesus came and call the sinners is right but they where sick people and needed to be helped to get them to be come righteous and for this they needed the message Jesus left to his apostles to spread ,when we hear the message from that day on our tribulation starts either in Jesus name or without of it ,this is the judgment ,

    Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

    the fact that the wheat and the tare (the good and bad) are living along each other is for the good to become purified by there own tribulation and the bad to be judged by having the example of righteousness next to them and so have no excuse for their way of rejecting God’s son

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    right ,what is change since then ?

    Jesus is at the right-hand of the Father. He sent his Spirit into his sons. We are the light of the world and so should shine our light and not hide it or cover it.

    But darkness runs from us, persecutes, us, hates us, and blames us, because men still run from the light.

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    t8

    this was done after Jesus was take to heaven and at the pentecost they received what was promised to do the works /deeds for the kingdom ,for Jesus if I recalled right did only make the promise to his apostles ,

    for only the 12 apostles are the 12 foundation of Jesus spiritual temple of God (11+1)and they received Christ message and spread it all over the known world at that point ,

    so since the apostles death nothing as been changed ,we all understand that “LIGHT” stands for the truth of God  and “DARKNESS” stands for ignorance of the truth of God ,in this way those that preach the truth of God are the only ones that are the light of the world ,right ?

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    if I recalled right did only make the promise to his apostles ,

    So we are not the light and we should not shine that light to all men? And when the 12 Apostles died, that light died with them?

    These words are part of the sermon on the Mount. There was a large crowd gathered there and is nothing in this passage that says he only spoke to the disciples, although that is still possible.

    Matthew 5:5-16
    5 When Jesus saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him. 2 He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying, (the crowds, the disciples, or both?)

    3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

    5 “Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

    6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

    7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

    8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

    9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

    10 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    13 “You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.

    14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; 15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

    If he was not talking to the crowd, then the crowd was gathered there watching Jesus teach the disciples, without hearing his words?

     

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    t8

    under who’s authority (Christ?) did you identify yourself has being a true light ?

    the apostles lived with Jesus and Jesus was the light ,only after he went up,they (apostles ) became the light and when they left it was their message that became the light of Jesus son of God , addressing those scriptures to oneself is very arrogant to my understanding ,

    this is why Jesus said to Thomas “happy are those that did not see but believed ” and “I pray (Jesus) for all those that will believe in me through their message ‘ not yours or mine or anyone else’s but his apostles message for 1 John 1 ,says ” we seen,touched him ,hear him ……..” did you have that experience t8 ?

    and yes he talked to the crowed but he was teaching his disciples and anyone that would listen and believe in him for they were Jews ,

    the people in general did not live with Christ but the disciples did ,and the explanations where only given to them ,

    the apostles where the transmitters of the message we all are but only the carriers of that message ,so our glory is that of a carrier /transporter

    of the goods not the manufacture of the goods ,

     

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    under who’s authority (Christ?) did you identify yourself has being a true

    I never claimed I was the light. I quoted Jesus Christ’s own words about the subject. If you apply his words to me that is fine. But I didn’t claim it myself.

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    So today, according to you, God’s people are not the light? That is sad.

    God is light, we know that. His light radiates through his son who is the light. Then we who are of God are suppose to be like Jesus as sons and also carry that light.

    But according to you, they do not. Only the words of Jesus and the Apostles are light now according to you.

    Your teaching on this is pretty dark you have to admit, but I will dig a little deeper for your sake and post again on this subject.

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    the apostles lived with Jesus and Jesus was the light ,only after he went up,they (apostles ) became the light and when they left it was their message that became the light

    Terr, you are wrong about God’s people not being the light and only the message is now.

    Paul says in Philippians 2:15:
    that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world.

    Ephesians 5:8
    For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light

    Matthew 5:16
    In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

    Terr, you are easy to predict. You just oppose what others say most of the time. However, this gets you into trouble because people do speak the truth at times. You then find yourself opposing those truths because you stubbornly stick to your original stance. Did you not know that we should always be learning. It is the self-proclaimed wise who think they are always right and change not. Why follow that example? It won’t give you reward, so not a good path to go down my friend. Humility will help you learn. Pride will only end in a fall.

    #818068
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    ho man,you really misinterpret my words , I will never call you or anyone else the sourse of the light for this is a lie ,Christ was the light according to John 1;

    the apostles are those that have described the light to all of us and if we want to join that light we can by doing what the light did ,

    you seem to purposely misinterpret my words ,I hope I am wrong ,God knows

    your scriptures are confirming what i say about the light

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    ho man,you really misinterpret my words ,

    It is straight forward what you said:

    the apostles lived with Jesus and Jesus was the light ,only after he went up,they (apostles ) became the light and when they left it was their message that became the light

    You acknowledged that the apostles became the light, but after they passed on, it was only their words. This is what you said and I proved you wrong. Why not just admit it. It takes humility and honesty to admit it.

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    t8

    no, you did not prove me wrong unless you change the gospels ,(teachings of Christ)

    Jesus blessed those that will believe in the message of his apostles ,end of story ;John17

    are you now saying that there are others that are the light ? with what gospel ?

    if we carry the gospels (scriptures) are we the origin of it or only the carriers if we apply the content of the scriptures are we the originator of the light ? no

    we would become the carrier of the light by example of the application of that light ,and so we would reflect God/Jesus light through us carriers ,

    Matthew 5:16
    In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven

    here again the light comes from the message WE MAKE THAT LIGHT OURS  and then by doing so we GLORIFY OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN ,for God is the origin of that light ,we are the carriers

     

     

    Ephesians 5:8
    For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light

    read this scripture very slowly ;before in darkness then light IN THE LORD  and then ;LIVE AS CHILDREN OF LIGHT ”

    you see we are not the origin of the light only carriers

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    no, you did not prove me wrong unless you change the gospels ,(teachings of Christ)

    So you are sticking with this being correct, even though it contradicts scripture?

    the apostles lived with Jesus and Jesus was the light ,only after he went up,they (apostles ) became the light and when they left it was their message that became the light

    Look if you cannot even be honest with yourself, then how are you going to improve? It means you have stopped running the race to win right? Might as well walk of the race track then.

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    you see we are not the origin of the light only carriers

    I never said that did I. You are detracting from your own teaching that says that the light died with the Apostles and was only present in their words.

    Be honest or live a delusion. They are your choices.

    #818111
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    you again don’t seem to understand what i said ,per ups it is me that does not tells it rightly ,

    Jesus was the light of men; scriptures says this ,

    but scriptures does not say his apostles are the light ,  but scriptures says that Jesus teach his apostles to become a light in this world ,so what was that light that it could be given and received ,or even lost and denied ,

    light = truth

    but scriptures says that all truth come from God,and was given to Jesus to be given to whom he chose ,

    so no men can claim that he is the truth/light not even Jesus for he himself claim that what says is what he heard his father say, he also say the same thing in revelation 1,

    so as i understand it ,God give the truth/light to his son ; his son give it to his disciples and his disciples put it in written words ,for the OT scrolls were already written but not the true/light understanding about the son,

     

    so since the apostles written letters and gospel what tells all about the light /truth that came into the world no one can claim that the truth /light comes from him ,

    so after the apostles we are all carriers of the truth/light even if we have a bible and do not believe in it ,what makes our soul shine is our faith in what as been written about that light/truth in this way we have changed our ways and so are light is the reflection of God’s light/truth for that light is a life given light/truth,

    Jesus said “MY WORD ARE LIVING SPIRITS”

     

    the reason that i claim that the light/truth as stopped coming when the apostles died it is that nothing so far as come to extend it ,it seem that all we have to know to be saved has been written ,

    speculation are not truths/lights nor are opinions ,all what i have said is written in the scriptures i agree i use my own words but the truth remains true

     

    #818116
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    Terr, to be clear, all light comes from God. And beings that are one with God will have that light in them and shine it out. That includes Jesus, Apostles, and all who are one with God thereafter and today.

    But you still said this which is technically wrong. You should admit it is wrong and say that you have changed your mind, or that you didn’t intend to say it, rather you made a mistake because you meant something else. You said:

    the apostles lived with Jesus and Jesus was the light ,only after he went up,they (apostles ) became the light and when they left it was their message that became the light

    In fact on closer inspection, you say that the apostles are light, but only there words once they passed away. If you can admit this is wrong, then we can move on. If not, then I will press this till I get a fair outcome.

     

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