By saying he was first  (born) is not the same as saying he was first created now is it?

Strawman arguments makes your case look even weaker. Begotten before all things does not and never will mean ‘created’. Crested is that which was made by God through the Word which is who Jesus is.

St least address the actual points, not this fake news crap please.

Sometimes I wonder if you are serious dannyd and are trolling me instead. I’ll take it that you are being serious.

Explain this danny. If you are in the sea, the horizon is about one mile away. If you are standing on the shore, it is about 3 miles away. This wouldn’t happen if the earth was flat. Because it is a globe, when you are standing up,…[Read more]

God the Father is “against” all who say Jesus “preexisted” his birth on this earth, as well as all who preach and worship him as their GOD.  Jesus will out of his own mouth reject them at his return  just as 2ths2, shows.

Incorrect. God isn’t against Jesus Christ for example who said:

I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You…[Read more]

Adam is the first son that human sons are modeled after.

Correct.

But some humans will be modelled after the final Adam.

So the first Adam is not the only prototype. He is for some however.

Flesh first then Spirit.

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is…[Read more]

Hi Danny.

The answer is well known.

Up and down is drawn from the centre of the earth. There is no universal up as you assume. It’s quite easy to prove.

See if there are any basic science classes you can do where you live.

Yes, Adam was / is a prototype too.
I guess all species had a prototype.

But, all in Adam die, all in Christ shall live.
If you agree that the first Adam was a prototype, then why not the final Adam?

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I disagree that the Son is a prototype of any other type of sons. No other sons are just like him. A prototype would imply others of the same type but the Son is an only son of his type, modeled after His  Father. The Son was not created, nor born again, both which bring a sort of sonship that the Son does not share.

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Proclaimer: But I would like to add that the whole reason for creation is because of the Son. God created all things through him and for him. Further, God’s redemptive plan from the foundation of the world is also through him as you rightly point out.

LU: That sounds like the Father is not independent of the Son but rather they are both i…

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Its 2023 in NZ in 10 mins.
Happy New Year by the time you read this.

All the best LU. My neighbour had a triple bypass as has another neighbour further up the road. Amazing what they can do now. All the best for 2023.

this popped up on my Facebook wall. Thought it should be added to the massive amount of flat earth debunks that have already been documented in this topic. This video has a few points that have never been mentioned.

All the best for 2023 everyone.

Carmel. He came in the flesh. His name was Jesus.

He was already begotten of the fayther, but had not yet laid his life down.

Hi LU.

I cant provide a source for prototype as I wrongly assumed it was rooted in the word for firstborn despite both having the same root ‘proto’.

That said, I stll believe yhat he is the prototype. He is yhe first type, the first Son. Those born from above will be like him. The same type.