Proclaimer: But I would like to add that the whole reason for creation is because of the Son. God created all things through him and for him. Further, God’s redemptive plan from the foundation of the world is also through him as you rightly point out.

LU: That sounds like the Father is not independent of the Son but rather they are both i…

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Its 2023 in NZ in 10 mins.
Happy New Year by the time you read this.

All the best LU. My neighbour had a triple bypass as has another neighbour further up the road. Amazing what they can do now. All the best for 2023.

this popped up on my Facebook wall. Thought it should be added to the massive amount of flat earth debunks that have already been documented in this topic. This video has a few points that have never been mentioned.

All the best for 2023 everyone.

Carmel. He came in the flesh. His name was Jesus.

He was already begotten of the fayther, but had not yet laid his life down.

Hi LU.

I cant provide a source for prototype as I wrongly assumed it was rooted in the word for firstborn despite both having the same root ‘proto’.

That said, I stll believe yhat he is the prototype. He is yhe first type, the first Son. Those born from above will be like him. The same type.

Hi Berean. Thee are some pearls in your last post. Yes salvation was planned right at the beginning because it would be inevitiable thst some beings would rebel because if free will and yes free will is a must if you want sons instead of robots.

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Carmel. Which one of these scriptures if any is your no1 bible verse that proves the Trinity?

Much of the time, truth is self-evident. When you give a person that level of truth or a clear example of such, you can then tell if they love the truth or prefer to believe they are correct at all cost. I totally lack all respect for people who do the latter.

So it just comes down to your lack if understanding danny. Msny things we observe are not intuitive till we understand the science behind it.

For example, a 150 ton plane flying in the air. A helicopter hovering on the spot. A 200,000 ton cruise ship floating on water when a simple hammer sinks.

Not God  but God’s Son.

The business IMAGE of the invisible Gof.

THAT THEY MAY KNOW THEE, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

One is the ONLY TRUE GOD

The other is JESUS CHRIST, the one whom the true God sent.

God and his Son.

I was clear about how we discover truth. I gave a few examples. I still believe what I said. Further  I feel that uou have little respect for scripture.

I agree Berean.

FORGET SCRIPTURE!

Scripture, logic, and history all disprove the Trinity.

You cannot apply much if any physical science to an eternal God who is Spirit.

So science doesn’t have anything to say about the Trinity.

So, I return the question to you.
Do you really care about the truth?

Yes I care about the truth very much.

All the research I have done points to the heliocentric model.

Further, all the so-called flat earth proofs have been debunked.

Nothing is outstanding that I know of.

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