Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,08:43)1) Yea, there is ONLY one owner of Creation.2) Yea, there are many “masters” here on Earth.Hmmm………..If I recall, you earlier said that Jehovah is the ONLY “owner-lord”, and Jesus is the ONLY “master-lord”.  But now you seem to be acknowledging OTHER master/lords.How do you explain this inconsistency, Ed?

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,23:14)(E.) Thank you for agreeing that it runs parallel to, or in more term “it allows for” the assertion of…       “Trin” and “non-Trin” are both true.I haven't seen any evidence of this yet.  All I've seen is you adding “trin” and “non-trin” into Luke 12:52.Ed, do you suppose that Jesus was saying 2 would be against…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,15:57)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,05:16)Hi MB, Still trying to make scripture argue with scripture. Let it teach you.SubmitHi Nick,That's a good observation. I thought Mike might betrying to make a point, but perhaps he just likes to debate. Why?  Why would you and Nick try to AVOID the point I'm making by making…[Read more]

Humans are born of blood. Could the “water” be talking about the waters of heaven mentioned in earlier scriptures?John says that Jesus was born of “water and blood”. Could this be signifying that he was born of the waters of heaven (on his Father's side) and of blood (on his mother's side)?Just a thought. I haven't looked into it at all.

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2012,15:39)I can agree that His begettal could be what is referred to as the beginning of the creation of God but His begettal was not a creative act but the act of bringing out that which already existed within the Father to work alongside the Father.And therein lies the crux of our disagreement, Kathi. I believe that…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,03:04)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,17:13)Hi ED, The Spirit of the Father has been and is poured out but ever lives in God. That Holy Spirit in Christ and in the prophets and with the Israelites is called the Spirit of Christ.Hi Nick,I guess that's the long version of “yes”. God blessEd JI'm also curious, Nick.…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,23:43)Hi Mike,Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, et out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting(H-5769).                        H#5769: עוֹלָם                        Transliterat…[Read more]

Revelation 22:20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.Ed, this statement was recorded by John in 96 C.E.  Apparently, Jesus hadn't yet come at that time – which was way after Pentecost.2 Thessalonians 21 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brot…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 18 2012,15:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 19 2012,08:10)Toby,I didn't care for your long-winded nonsense posts when you came here as JA.  I didn't care for them when you came as Istari.  And I don't care for them now that you're Toby.Long winded? Do you say this to every poster who comes here?Only to the ones who submit l…[Read more]

Quote (Jeremy @ Feb. 18 2012,11:15)The trinity issue is a big one and after reading many posts and writings about it, I prayed for understand about it.  The answer I got was, I find it hard enough to understand the worldly matters of being a christian, so how much less am I going to understand heavenly things.  Its funny God never seems to a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2012,12:13)Mike,There you go, adding words that are not there.Oh, I think the “my” is implied from verse 12, where Jesus called Jehovah “my God” four times.

Nick,8th post on the previous page?

Toby,I didn't care for your long-winded nonsense posts when you came here as JA. I didn't care for them when you came as Istari. And I don't care for them now that you're Toby.Gene will gladly tell you that you have the free will to disagree with the rest of us on this topic. Let me know when you can explain why Paul wanted his body to be…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2012,12:16)Hi MB, Still trying to make scripture argue with scripture. Let it teach you.SubmitScriptures don't argue with scripture, Nick.  Is there literally only ONE kurios in existence like Paul says?  Or are there many kurios in existence like Paul says? I know the answer, do you?  What is your answer, Nick?

Yeah, I guess. It's what they add to that fact that makes all the disagreements.Some say Jesus is not the one God sent to die, but God Himself.Others say God didn't send Jesus from heaven, although Jesus says that's where God sent him from.Others say he didn't really die at all for us.

The same how?

What about it, Jeremy?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 18 2012,09:17)Mike………Your BS is so obvious to any one that has a half a brain. Parameters, are simply the distance (AROUND) a specific object of some kind It is Toby who disagrees with this, Gene.  It is ME who is telling him what you just told me. And YOU agree with ME at the same time YOU call MY words “BS”.…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 18 2012,08:16)You need to learn to separate Jesus a Man ONLY who came into existences at his berth on this earth from the CHRISTOS or Anointing…………….And which one of those two had glory alongside his FATHER before the world began, Gene?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 17 2012,22:02)Hi MB, No you cannot grasp any deeper spiritual truth. Jesus CHRIST is the same yesterday today and forever. But the man Jesus was anointed at the Jordan.Nick, you are becomming ever more like the Trinitarians, I fear.  They too must explain their doctrine in riddles, peppered with a “you must have spirit”,…[Read more]