Quote (david @ Feb. 29 2012,22:35)Quote Ed,I have to wonder why people have a problem with referring to the one true God as the Holy Spirit.  Of course, the reason being, that they have not been taught.  God is holy  I Peter 1:16″Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.”God is spirit.  John 4:24″God is a Spirit: and they that worship him…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Mar. 01 2012,03:54)And I have done my part.  I agreed and complied with all your suggestions as to answering your questions first.  Do you now agree to answer mine in this open thread?Absolutely Toby, Ask a BRIEF question.  Btw, you didn't really “do your part”, because your answer to Phil 3:21 doesn't really answer my point about it…[Read more]

Yes Nick. That is clearly what the scriptures teach. Now, could you address my point?

This thread was started by Dennison to put ME on the hot seat. I've been a part of this thread since he started it.I'm asking you which verse (or now you say “verses”)?Is “the voice of the archangel” verse one of them? If so, which is the other?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2012,19:34)Hi MB, Separate beings? The Word was God.Was the Word sent by God to do his own will? Or the will of God who sent him?

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 29 2012,19:17)@mikebec the translation does not support your doctrine, you will not accept it. that is the style of the false teachers like you mike.But that faulty translation DOES support my understanding about Jesus being the Word mentioned in John 1:1 and 1:14.I don't accept it because the translators ADDED their own words…[Read more]

But see, now you're making them separate beings from God again.  If a spirit can speak of its own initiative, then it has its own mind, will, feelings, etc.  That makes it an individual BEING, separate from God. If the Word can SERVE God, then the Word must be something SEPARATE FROM God.

Which verse?

Hi David,We discussed it at length in the “Bodies” thread for a while, but I don't know of a specific thread discussing whether Jesus was raised from the dead as a spirit being or not.

Nick, which “ONE VERSE” do you keep talking about?

Okay then Nick. If that is the case, John 6:38 refutes your current understanding.38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.If this was God speaking through Jesus, then who “sent Him”?If this was the Spirit of Christ speaking through Jesus, then how does something that is of God (a part of Him)…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 29 2012,18:54)kerwin,bec you cant read your illusion, you are making stories.better luck next timejammin,You really need to grow up.  I agree that the Word in John 1:1 is Jesus.  But the people you are discussing this with are serious students of scripture.  You can't just search until you find a translation that ADDS the wo…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 29 2012,14:29)Is it ok for me to set up the Debate thread between you and me on his topic and with the provisos?I'm really not interested, Toby.  I've written volumes on this subject in the 500 pages of this thread.  Everyone here seems to be on the same page except for you, and I don't really want to spend my time reading y…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 29 2012,14:24)Hi Mikeboll.You said: Quote (Keep in mind that Jesus also walked on water as flesh, and did many other things that flesh beings normally can't do.  Also, Philip, as flesh, was somehow transported through space and/or time.  Surely God could have made the still flesh person Jesus appear in the locked room.)The &…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 29 2012,14:17)It seems that Paul will have a body like that of Jesus, just as he was when he rose up in the air and into the cloud.I thought you've been arguing that Jesus doesn't even have a body in heaven.Jesus was in heaven when Paul said the words of Phil 3:21, which means that Paul was talking about the glorious new body…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 29 2012,13:29)Hi Mike,I explained it with the verse you clipped fro my quote…No Ed. Your verse doesn't apply to Simeon SEEING the Christ with his own eyes when Jesus was only 8 days old. This has nothing to do with God knowing the future – it has to do with a human seeing God's Christ as promised.

t8,Read my comment in your new thread about learning something new.  I used to believe like you, that Jesus was raised from the dead as a spirit.  But he assures his disciples in Luke 24:37 that he is NOT a spirit.I know he became a life-giving spirit, but I assume it was upon his ascension to heaven, because he had flesh and bone after he was r…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2012,18:54)Hi MB, Is the Spirit of Elijah in John of the Spirit of God?No. All spirit is of God. There is no spirit said to be OF the Spirit of God. For some reason, you are making God's Spirit into a separate being, with spirits of its own.What scriptures teach you of such a thing?

Nick,I will address it in the “Wakeup” thread.

I have learned too many things to count because of this site and the people here. For one, I used to think Jesus was raised from the dead as a spirit being. Shimmer pointed me to Luke 24:37, and I have since adjusted my scriptural understanding.(That is but one of MANY)