Quote (toby @ Mar. 01 2012,20:01)“But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.”This says that it is when Jesus Returns to the physical world.I…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Mar. 01 2012,20:00)Did not one of the two Angels say to them “This Same Jesus will Return in like manner to that which you saw him leave”?In what Manner did Jesus leave?All I need is a question, Toby. I'm not interested in all the added fluff, okay?The answer to the question is: On the clouds.It says nothing about what Jesus looked…[Read more]

How so, Marlin?

Goodbye Nick. I've wasted way too much of my time on you already.

Nick,The mistake I made was thinking you could have an intelligent, scripture-backed discussion.  But when scriptures are clearly against you, you pull an “Ed”.  You put your fingers in your ears and start posting nonsensical ad hominems.  

Nick, one being cannot possibly be WITH itself. God is not the God of confusion.Nick, how do you address the scriptures that say all things were created through the Son of God?

I obviously know the Son better than you do. I believe him when he tells me he came down from heaven. You don't.

Yep.  I've hit the proverbial “brick wall” on this one, Pierre.  Just as Kangaroo Jack is willing to claim that he and his dad are the same exact being to keep his doctrine alive, Nick is now willing to claim that one being can have multiple wills.    He is willing to claim that one being can be SENT by himself.  Nick, is there really reason to d…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,11:04)Hi Jammin,You have it all reversed. The Word became flesh and dwelled among usThat's right, Nick.  Now, who do we know that was existing in the form of God before being made into a human being?  Who do we know that said, “I came down from heaven”?  Who do we know that not only became flesh (not “came to be…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,17:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2012,10:16)John 6:38 (New International Version 1984)38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.According to Nick, the spirit of Christ said these words.  But according to Nick, the spirit of Christ is part of the Spirit of God,…[Read more]

Nick,If Jesus is now spirit, like scripture says, then Rev 1:1 PROVES that he is a spirit messenger (ANGEL) of his God. End of story.

John 6:38 (New International Version 1984)38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.According to Nick, the spirit of Christ said these words. But according to Nick, the spirit of Christ is part of the Spirit of God, which was the Word of God, which is God Himself.But for the spirit of Christ to…[Read more]

I must make a correction. John 1:1c cannot be translated as “and the Word was mighty”, because that would require the adjectival form of the Greek word “theos”.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,17:06)Hi MB,So you say two GODS?or more?1 Cor 8:5 For even if there are those called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many gods and many lords),How many does scripture say, Nick?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,17:01)Hi MB, If scripture can say the Word was with God and the Word was God that won't fit into your boxes. Truth is bigger than our boxes.It fits in my “box” just nicely, Nick. Because I'm not blinded by the Trinitarian translation of “the Word was THE SAME GOD HE WAS WITH”. I know it could mean the Word was…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,17:00)Hi MB, Only by your human additions based on logic.Please stay with what is written.I do, Nick. Like Pierre points out, it is YOU who likes to re-write the scriptures – not us.

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 01 2012,02:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 29 2012,12:17)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2012,18:54)Hi MB, Is the Spirit of Elijah in John of the Spirit of God?No.  All spirit is of God.  There is no spirit said to be OF the Spirit of God.  For some reason, you are making God's Spirit into a separate being, with spirits of its ow…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2012,19:51)Hi MB, The same relationship in the Spirit of God between God and the Word that existed in the beginning continues in Christ Jesus. “We will come to you..”Okay, now we are getting somewhere. If the Word and the Father have/had a RELATIONSHIP, then the Word and the Father are separate BEINGS. One cannot…[Read more]

David,Ed will vouch for me on this:  Almost every discussion I've ever had with Ed eventually comes down to where you are with him in this discussion.There comes a point when you just keep repeating, “It is the Spirit OF God, and therefore not God Himself.”  To which he'll just keep responding, “When are you going to prove your point C”?When we r…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 01 2012,01:25)I possess my spirit, my spirit is me!Do “YOU” get hungry for food? Does your spirit?Your spirit is not “YOU”.Do “YOU” consist of flesh? Does your spirit?Your spirit is not “YOU”.Are you getting the picture?