I have the form of Adam, and therefore I am A man, not Adam himself.Jesus had the form of God, which means he was A god, not God Himself.jammin, why do you avoid my points? Tell me how Jesus having the nature of his God makes him BE God, yet when some of us have the nature of our God, we won't BE God?Why the exception for Jesus?

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2012,18:48)Satan and what we call demons or spirits that are not angels are another order of creation.Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.Satan was one of the angels who was among the group of angels who came to present themselves before Jehovah.Quote…[Read more]

Okay Asana. When Gene comes around, you can tell him all about it. Because the Lord knows I've tried until I was blue in the face.

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 03 2012,18:29)read your opinion in 1 john 5.20The One who has a Son named Jesus is the One who is called “the true God” in 1 John 5:20.

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 03 2012,18:27)The “form” here referred to must have been something before he became a man, or before he took upon him the form of a servant. It was something from which he humbled himself by making “himself of no reputation;” by taking upon himself “the form of a servant;” and by being made “in the likeness of men.” Of course,…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 03 2012,15:47)I do not believe that he called Jesus “the Word of God”.  He said “his name is called” the Word of God.  There is a difference.The only difference comes from your WISH for it to mean something different, Marty.Frank recently posted some info about Haggai's name meaning “feast of Yahweh”.   I'll ask you what he wa…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Mar. 03 2012,14:50)II JOHN 1:9»     9     †     Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. See the word “both”, Marlin?  That means they are TWO.  One of them is God.  Which one, you ask?  Yet for us there is but…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Mar. 03 2012,14:35)Not quite Mike,  The point I was making is they are ONE,  You can not have one without having the other.I JOHN 5:7 †     For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. You see it is the selfsame Spirit.Mike, I know what your response will be al…[Read more]

All things in creation came forth from the Father, Charles. Why should Jesus be any different?

I agree with Shimmer on this one, Asana. Satan, an angel of darkness, can masquerade as an angel of light.It refers to bad versus good – if you ask me.

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 03 2012,18:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2012,04:23)Quote (jammin @ Mar. 03 2012,10:10)the son is also called the true GOD!Wrong.  The One who has a Son named Jesus is the One who is called “the true God” in 1 John 5:20.i cant read in 1 john 5.20 that christ is not the true GOD.what i can read is christ is the true GOD.i do…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2012,14:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2012,19:04)But why two different words if their relationship with flesh was equal?Mike,The children fellowship with flesh and blood while Jesus marries the same.koinoneo = to enter into fellowship, join one's self to an associate, make one's self a sharer or partnerMeteco = compound…[Read more]

God is a person, Nick. And if the Holy Spirit is Him, then it doesn't have a will of its own. I believe I've made my point – and as usual, you can't directly address it.

Asana,I'm not sure that I agree the bodies of spirit beings are made of light, but good post. I wish you would have learned from my mistake and asked “Do spirit BEINGS, such as angels, have bodies?” You'll see why soon enough if Gene comes to this thread.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2012,11:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2012,01:09)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 02 2012,19:38)Mike,The SPIRIT that was in Yahshua is not a person, but is an IT……….Agreed.  Let's see what Ed and Nick say about it.  Nick? Is the spirit that was in Jesus an individual person, complete with his own will, agenda, mind, e…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 03 2012,10:33)Mike………….Spirits are NOT PERSONS they are types and Kinds of intellects, They are (ITS).Yes Gene, that is correct when we're talking about “the spirit of Christ”, or “the Holy Spirit of God”, or “team spirit”, etc.And that is good enough for the discussion I'm having with Nick and Ed about John…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 03 2012,10:10)the son is also called the true GOD!Wrong. The One who has a Son named Jesus is the One who is called “the true God” in 1 John 5:20.

“Morphe” means “outward appearance” jammin.  And if you'll recall, I already called this a couple of pages ago.  I already knew that your only “proof” of Jesus having God's nature was the mistranslation of the word “morphe” in Phil 2:6.    Remember me saying what you would say before you said it?  Now, tell me this:  Even IF Jesus was said to ha…[Read more]

Toby,I think you would truly enjoy discussing this with Asana in his “Do spirits have bodies?” thread. I believe that his style of writing and conversing will be more to your liking than mine are.

From Boditharta's new thread in the Skeptics Place, which has the same title as this thread:Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2012,11:00)The fact is anything created takes up space and anything that takes up space has a quantity whether seen or unseen therefore if a spirit is any form of energy it must be a measure of Mass.Spirit could not simply be…[Read more]