Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,12:52)Hi MB,If human wisdom must rule you you condemn yourself to spiritual ignorance.I didn't know human wisdom and spiritual guidance were mutually exclusive of each other.

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 11 2012,19:00)Mikedo I miss something here ??You quoted a translation of “gods”. The lady saw a god – ie: Samuel in spirit form.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,16:08)Hi,Just because The Word is Jesus Christ in Rev 19 is not a justification for saying Jesus is the Word in Jn 1.And what is your justification for saying it is not Jesus? There are many scriptures that explain our position, and none that I know of that explain yours.

Pierre, In verse 18, it is the word “elohim”, and should be translated as “a god”. She was basically seeing a spirit being, IMO.

Yes Nick,The Word became flesh in Bethlehem, where Jesus was born Christ, Savior, Lord, and King of the Jews.

Good one. I haven't used that one on my thread.

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 11 2012,11:12)16 Through his power all things were made—things in heaven and on earth, things seen and unseen, all powers, authorities, lords, and rulers. All things were made through Christ and for Christ.That's not an answer to my question. That is confirmation of my understanding. In order for all things in heaven and o…[Read more]

Hey Asana! It seems your thread has derailed. Have we decided yet whether or not spirit beings have bodies?

Quote (toby @ Mar. 11 2012,00:52)Can I report that post?Yes. You can report any post for abuse, or for breaking the rules of this site.Moderator

I think Gene is the only person in existence that doesn't understand that angels are ministering SPIRITS.  Gene, don't fool yourself.  This thread has ALWAYS been about whether SPIRITS, such as the angels, Jesus, and God, have bodies.What did you think the “How about God?” part of the title is about?  It has ALWAYS been about SPIRIT BEINGS li…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 09 2012,21:02)Mike fact is Toby has victory over you……………..So then you agree with him that angels DON'T have bodies?

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 11 2012,10:49)answer my questionill repeatin col 1.15, you want the verse to be literal.No jammin,YOU answer MY question that I asked two pages ago:What SCRIPTURE tells you that “firstborn” is figurative in Col 1:15?Jesus IS LITERALLY the firstborn Son of God. The sons of God are the first of God's creation, because they all…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 11 2012,09:20)do not explain mike. i do not need stories. you said job 18.13 is not literal. but in col 1.15, you want the verse to be literal.No, what I said was that I don't THINK the word “firstborn” is literal in Job 18:13.And what I asked from you is a scripture that would tell you that word is figurative in Col 1:15.…[Read more]

I wonder what they make of the title “God of gods”?  Or “God Most High”.  Or “God Almighty”.I wonder what they think about verses such as the following:Psalm 82:1God stands in the assembly of gods; in the midst of the gods he renders judgment.Perhaps they think Jehovah congregates with golden calves.

I have read it carefully. I have studied it hard. Most likely much harder than you ever will.jammin, do you know of any son in the existence of the world that wasn't brought into existence by his father? If not, then why would you think Jesus is called the Son of God if God didn't in fact bring him forth into existence?Jesus tells us in Rev 3…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2010,16:28)The Trinitarians attempt to prove that you can have 1 apple at the same time you have 3 apples and when you point out that is illogical they attribute the illogic as a mystery of God.Yes Kerwin,The non-preexisters do the same thing. Ask Nick, he is always scolding me because the doctrine of pre-existence makes…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 11 2012,08:53)paul said in verse 16 that Because all things were created by him:      both in the heavens and on the earth,      the things that are visible and the things that are invisible.         Whether they are thrones or powers,         or rulers or authorities,that is the reason why he said in verse 15 that Christ i…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Mar. 11 2012,00:50)OK. But are you sure this isn't your euphormism for 'I am found out'?Yes, quite sure. But thank you for your concern.