Toby,I'm sorry for my attitude on that last post.  I just can't believe you're asking a question like that.As soon as there was no more spiritual body belonging to Jesus in heaven, there was no more Jesus in heaven.How God did this, who knows?  Did spiritual Jesus just lose conciousness until 9 months later when he emerged from Mary's womb?  I do…[Read more]

Okay jammin,Here's my answer:Because purple with pink polka dots are pretty, that's why.Now, I've answered you with an answer that is equal to your answer to my question.Don't post nonsense and then insist it is an answer.  Verse 16 CONFIRMS my understanding of Jesus being the first one created.  He had to have been the first, otherwise all the o…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,19:30)Hi T,You bile does not reflect well on you.Well Nick,It gets old after a while.  We keep showing you things, and you just keep saying stupid stuff.I point out that God can't have two opposing wills, and you say something about human wisdom.  t8 points out that if God was one witness, then it was the Father O…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,18:35)Hi MB,Where is the verse that says JESUS became flesh?Phil 2:7 is one of them.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,18:34)Hi MB,Nobody disagrees that God was his Father but unless he was just like us he was not able to be our priest or mediator.Hmmmm……………. All the other priest that are TRULY “just like us” die and are replaced with other ones.Was Melchizadek just like us? Paul doesn't think so. Yet he was a priest…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,18:36)Hi MB, If you love it that much how can you learn spiritual things?Where did you EVER get the idea that we are to be brain-dead vegetables and sit around hoping for a spirit to tell us things? God gave me a wonderful brain, Nick. I use mine, and it is apparent from your doctrines that you DON'T use yours…[Read more]

Are you really puzzled, Toby? Are you flippin' kidding me with that “question”? Think it out, man. It will come to you. Your DIRECT answer is in YOUR answer to my question.I'll give you just a little more time. If you don't have it figured out all by yourself by tomorrow, I'll show you what you can't see.

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,18:50)mike,in col 1.15, that is not literal.the answer could be found in verse 16Yes,In Bizzaro World, it COULD BE found in verse 16. In the real word, it is not.Tell me what scripture teaches us that “firstborn” is figurative in verse 15.Remember, it always means just what it says UNLESS there is CLEAR and PRESENT…[Read more]

Nick,We've discussed all this in your thread already. If you don't use your human wisdom, you'll walk right into a busy street and get run over by a bus.Just because you can't find your imaginary doctrine in the actual scriptures is no reason for you to disregard the wonderous gift of the human brain that God Himself gave us.Without your human…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,18:14)Hi MB,In what way was the flesh of the man Jesus different to ours?I'm not sure if the flesh itself was different, Nick. The way Jesus BECAME flesh was surely different, though. And that is the point I made in my last post to you, and therefore the point you should be addressing – don't you think?

Toby,What happened to the BEING Jesus in heaven when he came to earth as a man? In other words, what happened to the existence Jesus was having in heaven when he came to earth as a man?(Btw, I didn't say I was going anywhere.)

Yes it was. Sorry for the confusion.

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 11 2012,20:22)now answer meNot until you've actually answered me, jammin.Is the firstborn of the herd a MEMBER OF the herd?  YES or NO?If so, then why isn't the firstborn of every creature a creature?Like I keep saying, it is YOU who is going away from the default meaning of “the one born first”, and imagining that firstborn…[Read more]

Nick, Do you use any of your human wisdom to understand scriptures?  Does the Spirit post your replies on this thread for you – word for word?  Or does your human brain know enough to put certain words in order to make a sentence?  Can you think at all, Nick?  If so, then you are applying your God-given human wisdom.I will say it again to all who…[Read more]

What happened to the BEING of Jesus in heaven when he came to earth as a man?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,22:00)Hi MB,Jesus was a flesh vessel just as we are.Wrong.  Not one of us were sired directly by God.Flesh?  Yes.  But “just as we are”?  No way.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,21:32)Hi MB, Jesus was conceived. He was born in Bethlehem.Yes Nick,The Word was conceived in flesh and became flesh.  With this we agree.  How does that prohibit the Word of John 1 from being Jesus before he was made into the likeness of a human being?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,21:32)The Word was before J…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 11 2012,20:03)1. You say that Jesus was returning to his former glory. 2. Was he then already exalted to his position as head of the church prior to becoming a man and completing his ministry here on earth?1. Yes, that's what the words “the glory I had” indicate.2. No, because the church of Christ didn't yet exist.Marty,…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Mar. 12 2012,00:31)Thoughts?Luke 211 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.The angel didn't say, “He WILL BE Christ the Lord”.Luke 225 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.…[Read more]

Hi Toby,I'm really not interested in any more discussion with you on this subject.I have my understanding, and scripture backs up that understanding. If you interpret those same scriptures differently from the rest of us, it's really no big deal. We simply disagree, Toby, and I'm tired of beating a dead horse with you.