So is it the Spirit that is God's son? Or those through whom the Spirit works?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,14:42)Hi, It is a JW dogma that some will be living in heaven but the common ones will have to make do with earth. JW dogmas are pure follyInstead of dismissing the info out of hand by labeling it “JW dogma”, why not discuss what was said?  Let's work through David's post so you can tell me where he went wrong,…[Read more]

jammin,My point was:  Are the OTHER sons of God (like those mentioned in Job 1:6) ALSO God Almighty because they are sons of God Almighty?If not, then tell me WHY you think Jesus being God's son makes him God Himself, while these other sons of God are NOT God Himself.

Quote (942767 @ April 15 2012,18:12)“The Word” is that which God has spoken. In Hebrews 1 the scripture states that in these last days “God has spoken to us through His Son”. What God has spoken is the Word of GodLove in Christ,MartyAnd is that the case also in Revelation 19:13, Marty? Is the rider on the horse “that which God has spoken”?If…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2012,14:15)Mike,One is the Word while the other is called by the Word’s nameAnd is one “Abram” while the other is called by Abram's name?

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 15 2012,17:18)Mike,How many times and in how many diverse ways does it have to be explained to you what it is that I believe in accordance with what is taught in Scripture? The MANY other so-called “mighty ones ” are most certainly FALSE mighty ones.Jesus is one of those called “god”, Frank. Is your Lord a “false god”?…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ April 15 2012,14:47)Nice thread.People who live outside the bubble of the Hebrews creation story know that the earth is quite old, 4.5 billion years+ and that God created life by the process of evolution.ColterI don't doubt any scripture, Colter.  I think maybe there was a human-like species that existed along with the animals…[Read more]

Topical.  (I copied and pasted this post from David from another “heaven” thread, because it answers a lot of questions scripturally.)While the Bible certainly does hold out that the meek will inherit the earth (Ps 37:11,29; mat 5:5, etc) I believe there is ample evidence for some going to heaven, specifically, the chosen ones who would rule over…[Read more]

Where do you suppose Enoch is right now? How about Elijah?Who are the souls under the alter in Revelation? Why will the dead be raised in spiritual, non-flesh bodies? Why does Paul say his citizenship will be in heaven?This is a good discussion topic, so I will look for or start a thread on it.

Hmmmm…………………Heb 1:2 says God created the universe through “His Son”. I don't read that He created the universe through “the Spirit of Christ” in that verse, Nick.And God couldn't have created the universe through “His Son” if “His Son” didn't exist until 33 AD.Test all things, Nick.

Nick,Hopefully you will run away from the light of the masquerading spirit that has a hold on you right now. Test all things, like your signature says.Do you really think that scripture teaches what once WAS GOD became not “God”, but the “Son of God”? Do you really think that what WAS GOD came, not to do his own will, but God's?You've got some…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,13:35)Today did not exist till time was given in Genesis.The Hebrew word used can refer to any “time period” at all.  You may not agree that this begetting had already happened by the time those words were recorded in Ps 2:7, but you won't be able to disprove it by the use of the Hebrew word “yowm”.

Not at all, Nick.  But you must start with the right words in the first place.  And since John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “god” or “a god”, then we must decide which one John meant.Was the one and only god WITH himself?  Or were there TWO gods, one of whom was WITH the other?Any other time in your life, if you hear the words “blank wa…[Read more]

True Nick.  But notice the ages of the men when they had their first children.  For example, Noah was 500 years old when he has his first.  And each of his three kids were over 100 years old and childless when they entered the ark.Read the first page or two of this thread, Nick.  There are many other concerns that I address.  One of them is why…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,13:21)Hi MB,God was not with God.But the WORD of God was with God and WAS God.  Nick, go ahead and keep believing nonsense if you wish.  I will believe that John 1:1 speaks of TWO gods, one of whom was WITH the other, and only one of whom is called “THE god” by John.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,13:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2012,12:10)We use logic, Nick.  If Jesus is for sure called a god – even by the Most High God; yet he is NOT the Most High God, then it leaves no choice but for him to be a lesser god.Hi MB, It is not for us to propose truth from our dim worldly view.Find it written and then…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 14 2012,21:12)wrong mike.jesus is God not god.the father and the son have the same nature, GOD.just like you and your father, you have the same nature, MAN.you are truly man. Christ is truly God.jammin,Why do you only apply that flawed logic to Jesus? Why not also apply it to all the other sons of God – like those mentioned…[Read more]

Kerwin,Don't overthink it.  Just remember two things:1.  Luke 24:39a spirit does not have flesh2.  1 Cor 15:45 the last Adam a life-giving spirit

Quote (Colter @ April 15 2012,05:19)If one takes and honest look at Genesis they can see that their were already people living outside the garden of Eden.Hi Colter,I agree with this part of your post, and even started a thread concerning this.  You can read or comment here if you're interested.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,22:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2012,12:19)And those of his brothers who will dwell with him in heaven will have new, glorious, spiritual bodies.  They will no longer be human beings, as human beings consist of flesh and blood.Hi MB, Will they dwell in heaven? Is it written?Yes Nick,This is why the dead will…[Read more]