Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2012,13:38)Hi MB, God created through His Spirit , the Spirit in Christ Jesus.You mean the Spirit, that according to you, WAS God, but then BECAME Jesus Christ?  How can you say “the Spirit in Christ Jesus” when you believe that Spirit actually became Christ Jesus?

John 16:30 Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.”It seems that “knowing all things” led the disciples to believe Jesus CAME FROM God – not that he WAS God.jammin, why doesn't your reasoning align with that of Jesus' disciples?

Quote (942767 @ May 19 2012,16:04)Hi KW:The evidence of him speaking of the future ascension is that Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus of being born again, and that means born again from the dead.

Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2012,19:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2012,23:53)Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2012,11:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2012,21:06)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2012,20:22)Hi MB,Yes souls are under the altar.But how does that help your opinion?1 Cor 1522 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2012,07:00)verse 27 and if I9 by Beelzebub (the Chaldeian dun god) cast out devils, by whom do yours childern cast them out.From NETNotes:Apparently Baal Zebub refers to a local manifestation of the god Baal at the Philistine city of Ekron. The name appears to mean “Lord of the Flies,” but it may be a deliberate scr…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2012,07:00)now notice Nick and it did you notice the word (IT) not (HE) is used there . If the (IT) was a “BEING” it would have been written as HE or She, but never and (IT). Now ask yourself why is that Nick, is that not because and (IT) is Not a PERSON or BEING.Mark 3:26 NIV © And if Satan opposes himself and is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2012,05:56)…….every temptation Jesus had in the wilderness was a SELF trial brought on by his own human Nature………So Jesus' “human nature” owed the kingdoms of the world and promised to give them to Jesus if Jesus bowed down and did an act of worship to his own “human nature”?   Come on Gene.  Talk about a “…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 20 2012,07:56)i answered already your questions in the for jammin thread.Okay, we can discuss it in that thread then.

Quote (jammin @ May 20 2012,07:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2012,14:40)Quote (jammin @ May 17 2012,20:57)did he see God face to face ACCORDING TO THE VERSE mike? yes or no?Seemingly, jammin.  But did God tell Moses that no man can see Him and live?  YES or NO?Do we have a contradiction in scripture?  Or will you accept Hosea's explanation that th…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ May 19 2012,10:11)Atheist say we are just a product of chemicals and nothing else,but why then say, that christians are a deluded bunch of people.Hi Wakeup,Boditharta once presented the point: If we have evolved due to simple circumstance, why is it that so many of us have evolved this strong belief in a higher power who created…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2012,11:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2012,21:06)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2012,20:22)Hi MB,Yes souls are under the altar.But how does that help your opinion?1 Cor 1522 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2012,20:22)Hi MB,Yes souls are under the altar.But how does that help your opinion?1 Cor 1522 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.Who are the “firstfruits” that are made alive in Christ BEFORE he…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 18 2012,22:59)“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” 16And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying, “We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, becau…[Read more]

He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another.  –  TertullianGene, do you see how God creating THROUGH Jesus doesn't change the fact that God alone did the creating?  To believe the scriptures that God created all things THROUGH Jesus is not to discredit the scriptures that say God created all things by Himself.For ex…[Read more]

I was hoping the same, Kathi. I was enjoying reading your discussion with Asana.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 19 2012,06:56)You “ASSUME” Jesus was talking to an elusive invisible Satan “BEING” but that is just your “opinion” and not what the context of what Jesus words were at all.The context? Gene, the context is that Satan told Jesus he would give him the kingdoms of the world, because they were his to give. What “intellect…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 17 2012,20:57)did he see God face to face ACCORDING TO THE VERSE mike? yes or no?Seemingly, jammin.  But did God tell Moses that no man can see Him and live?  YES or NO?Do we have a contradiction in scripture?  Or will you accept Hosea's explanation that the ancient Hebrews often referred to representatives of God as “G…[Read more]

Hmmmmmmmm………….  Frank, you claim that the word “dia” in Heb 1:2 means “FOR, BECAUSE OF, or ON ACCOUNT OF”, correct? Well, the same word “dia” is used in John 1:3.  So does John 1:3 teach that all things were made “FOR, BECAUSE OF, or ON ACCOUNT OF” the Word?

jammin, In my last two posts to you, I explained many things, and asked you at least three questions – two of which I bolded to make them easy for you to see.Were you going to address any of those points?

Quote (Lightenup @ May 17 2012,21:26)Mike,I have not studied this to the nth degree but I believe that it is likely the kingdom of the darkness that the Son, according to his High Priest/Mediator role, was given reign over and He destroyed the powers of that kingdom so that the only kingdom that remained was where God (as a unity of Father, Son,…[Read more]