Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,17:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 31 2013,05:20)I believe we agree that “the Word of God” in Rev 19:13 refers to a title that God's spokesman Jesus holds……… and NOT to literal words that God has spoken.  Is this a correct assumption on my part?Mike,Rev 19:13 is poetic but it is stating a person is called by the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 30 2013,08:58)Mike………My point was that According to the Arameric translations, the word used there is Rope and that would really relate more to the possibility of an attempt, and fit better to the example Jesus was making and be more logical, a rope can be a very tiny one, so the effort could be…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ July 30 2013,02:11)But, it doesn't have to be so complicated. Just believed simply.You are correct that it is not complicated, 2B.There is only ONE who EVER dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son. That ONE is called “the Word” in John 1:1, 1:14, 1 John 1:1-2, and Revelation 19:13.It's not hard at all. Work it…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ July 29 2013,21:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2013,08:11)Quote (abe @ July 27 2013,23:46)What is the Word of Christ?The teachings Christ gave to the people of the world.  The words he spoke.  The lessens he taught.  The understandings he shared with us.Hi Mike,Jn.14:23    Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 29 2013,20:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2013,22:07)I agree that we could metaphorically and poetically say that Elisha's word accomplished it's purpose.  But just because we personify the word of Elisha – making it sound like it was an entity separate from Elisha, complete with it's own will – the fact remains that this is…[Read more]

Ed,The preeminent meaning of the word translated as “offered” in the first part of Hebrews 11:17 is “to bring to, lead to”.So yes, Abraham “led” Isaac up the mountain – willing to offer him as a burnt offering. He never ended up offering him as a burnt offering though, because God stopped him.

Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2013,20:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2013,09:19)(1)Abraham either DID offer up his son as a BURNT offering, or he DIDN'T.Hi Mike, 1) He didUnless Isaac was actually BURNT on a fire, Abraham did NOT offer his son as a BURNT offering.You are in error.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2013,05:15)This is one of the clearest statements in the NT concerning the deity of Christ.I love the NET Bible and all the NETNotes!  These 25 TRINITARIAN scholars are usually on their game, and actually REFUTE about 97% of the generally accepted “trinity proof texts”.  However, they do occasionally let their T…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2013,21:29)Mike,Both are correct. Jesus is the only Begotten God and He is the Son of God, His Begetter. They are one…a compound unity.Both?  And you gathered that information from Matthew 16:16?  Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”Are you sure, Kathi?  Peter seems…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2013,17:09)Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2013,11:59)Mike,Peter calls them both our God. Face it.And yes, one of them is someone other than the other one.I disagree.  When you get the time, we'll go through every word Peter wrote in scripture, and see if he thought Jesus was “God”, okay?Let me know.  (I'd like to do the s…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 28 2013,22:00)You are misunderstanding me when I say God's Word is more than his spoken utterance.Hmmmm………… I just went by what you actually SAID, Kerwin.  If there is a misunderstanding, surely it was caused by how you worded your understanding.So, are you now saying that “The Word of God” IS simply words that God…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 29 2013,08:19)Seekingtruth………As Kerwin said it is a Mute point, because Faith was the Point Jesus was driving at.It seems to me that making a big rope go through the eye of a needle would be just as impossible for a man as passing a camel through the eye of a needle.So I believe the point is moot, as both are…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 29 2013,14:31)T8….. Where did you get Mike and you believes in only one God, that is not what you preach, you believe Jesus is a God also. Lets be honest here for a change you guys believe in many Gods and preach it.Gene,Jehovah is the Most High God. Name a couple of the less high gods He is higher than.Jehovah is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 29 2013,09:30)Ed,Yes, Abraham did offer(to present for acceptance or rejection:tender) but No, He did not offer(to present as an act of worship or devotion : sacrifice).Ed,I accept this as Kerwin's DIRECT and HONEST answer to your question.

Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2013,00:13)Then you disagree with what Hebrews 11:17 says right?Not at all, Ed.Abraham either DID offer up his son as a BURNT offering, or he DIDN'T.So the only question is: Was Isaac ever BURNT on the fire?Since the answer is “NO”, then the answer to your question is also “NO”.

I agree, Kerwin.It's like Genesis talked about an ocean wave, and Ed is insisting that it referred instead to someone waving at someone else.And then Hebrews says both things, like He waved at them from atop the ocean wave.And Ed is now using that second understanding of “wave” from Hebrews, applying it back to Genesis, and insisting that Hebrews…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 28 2013,13:20)It is my understanding that the Jewish culture of John's day and previously was poetically and metaphysically inclined…………….Kerwin,There were three direct questions in my last post on the previous page.  Please address them in a direct manner.(It seems lately that I'm bringing up very good points in…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 28 2013,13:12)Mike,It was a false accusation and the Jews did not explain their reasoning but Jesus did by pointing out why he was superior to those called gods.Kerwin,If the Jews claimed Jesus was making himself out to be “God”, and you say it was a false accusation, then how do you conclude by saying Jesus agreed with them…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2013,23:49)Hi Kerwin,Quite the contrary, my question is very sound. And you refusing to answer exposes the weakness of your argument.Your question is a trick question, Ed.You have to ask yourself:  What exactly did God tell Abraham to do?  The truthful answer is that God told Abraham to go to the mountain and sacrifice his s…[Read more]

The answer is “NO”, Ed.  Abraham was WILLING TO offer his son as a BURNT offering, but God stopped him before he actually OFFERED his son as a BURNT offering.Now please answer MY question. You blew the question off in the other thread, and now it seems you have the same intentions in this thread. Why not answer it? This question is in the Hot…[Read more]