Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2013,12:42)Jesus was a priest in the same order as Melchizadek not a God in the same order as Melchizadek. You are just trying to cause confusion, Mike.Jesus IS a priest of God in the order of Melchizadek, Kathi.If the later priest can BE the Godhead, then why not the earlier priest, in whose order Jesus serves?I think…[Read more]

Kerwin,Not only DOES the title “Most High God” testify that there exist gods that Jehovah is higher than, but the scriptures themselves also testify that there exist “many gods and many lords – both in heaven and on earth” – and that Jehovah is higher than all the others.

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,12:37)Mike I ask you to please try to refrain yourself from commenting on our posts in this thread; OK ?Okay. I'm really leaving this time!

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 02 2013,07:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,13:05)Quote (jb2u @ July 14 2013,12:14)…..God foreknew the future sacrifice of the obedient CHOSEN one out of the people, Jesus………..What sacrifice, jb?On the cross!! Atoning for our sins.So Jesus was born a mere human being who was destined to die anyway, and then he…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 02 2013,07:57)Well, Jesus is God's firstborn. He is the first BEGOTTEN of God. It does not say “first created” or “first made.”And what about Revelation 3:14, where Jesus refers to himself as the “beginning of the creation by God”?

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 02 2013,07:52)I think that is a little unfair to say that I “don't want Jesus to have literally..”I agreed to this debate with the purest of heart. I stated that I only want the truth to come to light.Okay, fair enough and point taken.So far this is how I see it:1.  I believe that Phil 2 says Jesus was existing in the form of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,13:02)Both bolded words are “ek” in Greek.  They mean “out of” or “from”.  Surely you don't deny that by “from the earth”, Paul means that the first man ORIGINATED from the earth, right?  He came FROM dust, right?So why then would you deny that the second man ORIGINATED from heaven?  It means he came FROM hea…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 02 2013,07:47)Jesus clearly did come “from heaven” as He tells us that He “came OUT OF” God. I believe this!! Jesus said it and it is true.Jesus said, I came DOWN FROM heaven, jb.Surely saying he came DOWN FROM heaven is not the same as saying he is metaphorically “of heaven”, or “of God” – as all things are.Even the Jews to…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 02 2013,07:39)It could mean that He was better but now He is “more better”, but that just doesn't sound right to me.Perhaps how it “sounds” to you is peppered by your own conception that Jesus started his existence as a human being.  If I accepted that as an absolute truth, then Jesus being made even more better than the angels…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 02 2013,07:14)I think you see a chronological chain of events, but I do not see it as a chain of events.Are you serious, jb?Are you saying that these things all happened simultaneously?1. Was existing in the form of God.2. Did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, and so emptied himself by taking on the form…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2013,11:52)Let Peter be Peter…you don't have to interfere and twist what he wrote as inspired by the Holy Spirit.Hmmmm………….If the words of 2 Peter 1:1 could be faithfully translated into English two different ways – only one of which would have Peter calling Jesus “our god”, and even then it wouldn't…[Read more]

Kathi,It is still your turn. I'm waiting for your next scriptural proof that Peter thought Jesus was God………. because your first one is iffy at best.I have about a hundred of Peter's words that support MY understanding. But it's only fair I let you take your turn in order, right?So what is your next scripture?

His answer is according to two different definitions of the word “offer”. Apparently, the dictionaries, Kerwin, me, and the NIV all understand these two different meanings of “offer”………. while you don't.

Ed,Try to be reasonable here. Did Abraham offer his son as a burnt offering? Of course not, because Isaac was never burned up in the fire.Did he offer to offer his son as a burnt offering? Yes.He was willing, but did not actually offer his son as a burnt offering.The NIV is accurate in their translation. End of story.

Ed,I accept Kerwin's answer because it has both a “YES” and “NO” in it, and explains the reason for that YES and NO in an easy to understand manner.On the other hand, I can't see a YES or a NO in your answer to his simple question.

What I'm saying is that the words are “his name IS called the Word of God”, and we shouldn't ALTER it to “his name WILL BE called the Word of God”.Your ALTERATION gives a SLANT that his name is not already called the Word of God.Imagine it said, “his name is called Jesus”. And then you ALTER it to say, “his name WILL BE called Jesus”.Do you see…[Read more]

Well then we better add in Melchizadek as one of our Gods too. Because Jesus will be a priest in his order, which places Mel pretty high up in “the principal of Godhead” – don't you think?

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 02 2013,11:18)Ed,Merriam-WebstersQuote : to present something as an act of worship or devotion : sacrifice dictionary.comQuote 16.to present something as an act of worship or devotion; sacrifice. offer at Merriam-Websters and offer at dictionarycomDo you except that these definitions of offer as sacrifice are correct?YES or NO, Ed.

Gene,The most high Empire State Building is located in New York.Are you able to see how NONSENSICAL that statement is, considering there is only ONE Empire State Building?So if Jehovah was LITERALLY the ONLY god, then the title “MOST HIGH god” would be just as nonsensical.  Not only that, but we could call Him the LEAST HIGH god, and it would be…[Read more]

Is the Holy Spirit OF God an active force by which GOD accomplishes His purposes on occasion?  YES or NO?Because that is what the JWs call it:  God's active force.So the question is:  Does God SEND HIS Holy Spirit on occasion?  Or does God Himself come and perform those tasks?  Which one does scripture bear out?John 14:16 I will ask the Fath…[Read more]