Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2013,16:07)That is complex though not worth debating as the bottom line is that Paul also speaks of his brethren according to the flesh.It's not complex, but exactly what Paul taught in Romans 4.Kerwin, suffice to say that the NKJV has translated it correctly:  What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 10 2013,04:17)Hi Mike.He placed the cherubim AND THE flaming sword. Sounds like two different things to me.So what connection do you see?

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 10 2013,00:37)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2013,12:02)942767,They did not mistake Paul for one to be worshiped but instead saw him as a great one, which frankly he was as he was God's representative.   There is one true God, who is worthy to be worshiped.  There are many gods in heaven and on earth whose job it is to r…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Aug. 09 2013,22:58)The Archangels must have a  Soul.   God has a soul.I don't think angels have souls? They cant die until the end.“Arche” just means “ruler” in the case of “archangel”.  How can you conclude that only the ruler-angels have souls, but the other spirit sons of God don't?  That doesn't make sense to me.  It would be like…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 10 2013,05:26)Fasting evolved from the more primitive belief that God would be pleased with fasting, that man could manipulate the spirits. Everyday is a day to eat well and care for the temple of the body.Insincere praying, as a compulsion, is an abomination to God. Like praying 5 times a day just because your religion says…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2013,08:23)Mike,Hmmmmm…are you trying to be deceptive?Nope.Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2013,08:23)Who is the “I” and who is the “Him?”The “I” is Jehovah.  The “him” is Jesus Christ, the servant of Jehovah.Kathi, I don't believe you answered my question.  Are you saying that only “Jehovah the Son” is “Jehovah of h…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 09 2013,01:33)Abe,I can see a connection in something:He stationed the *cherubim* and the flaming *sword* which turned every direction to guard the *way* to the *Tree* of *life*I am the *way* the truth and the *life*. Nobody comes to the Father but through me.Revelation  19:11 I saw the heaven opened, and behold, a white…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 09 2013,11:06)Yes, Mike, God was speaking to the angels when He said “let us make man in our image”………Okay Marty.  And when Satan told Eve they would become “as gods”, and then Jehovah said, “they have become as one of us“, what are we to think?If we approach it like we've never read the Bible before, and haven't…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Aug. 09 2013,00:44)I think cherubim and Archangel mean the same.I don't know that to be the case, but there doesn't seem to be any scriptural evidence prohibiting it. But should we assume things in scripture just because there is nothing explicitly prohibiting it? Or should we remain silent if the scriptures are silent about it?At…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2013,19:38)I don't find the experts words untrue but only complex and so a very doubtful understanding of Paul's words.Kerwin,Here are the two choices of translation:1. Abraham is our father according to the flesh.2. What righteousness did our father Abraham ever achieve according to his fleshy efforts?Now I ask you, is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2013,19:31)I previously stated the Word translated to flesh but it did not transform as that would contradict the flesh being of the seed of David.And what if I could show you scripturally that the Word being made flesh DIDN'T contradict the flesh being the seed of David?Would you then change your mind, Kerwin? Would you…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2013,19:15)Mike,Those experts seem to prefer a complex understanding in claiming that Paul is hypothetically claiming Abraham is our father according to the carnal nature if he and we are to obtain righteousness by works.Kerwin,Please proof-read your posts to see if they make sense before posting them. I'm having a hard…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 07 2013,20:13)Does Isaiah 8 identify the Jehovah of hosts as Jehovah the speaker or someone other than Jehovah the speaker?Jehovah of hosts is the one speaking.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 07 2013,19:49)His beginning was in regards to a begettal, not a creation.At least two scriptures say differently. And look at this page.  The first thing they list after the big word “beget” is “create“.Anyone who has ever been begotten has also been created, Kathi.  You think Jesus is the exception to this universal r…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 07 2013,19:45)Also, the NET Bible notes have comments but it is not the scope of the translator notes to be a commentary.So it DOES have comments, but it is NOT a commentary? Okay……… my mistake.  

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 07 2013,19:45)Jehovah of hosts is someone OTHER THAN the Jehovah who is speaking.So only ONE of your two Jehovahs is “Jehovah of hosts”? Is that what you are claiming? (Be careful, because it WILL come back to bite you.)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2013,11:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 06 2013,04:50)Genesis 3:5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Who are those gods?Mike,Jehovah is a gods. The rests,human or not, are merely gods.Some peoples worship a god or multiple gods as a…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 08 2013,13:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2013,12:39)(2A)And since you admit angels are also real, live elohim, then you must realize that Jehovah can't possibly LITERALLY be the ONLY elohim.  2. Yes, I agree.    Enough said. So when Jehovah said He was the ONLY elohim, He must have been emphasizing His own position of being mu…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 08 2013,08:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2013,10:18)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 07 2013,10:27)And this verse of scripture, the serpent is speaking to Eve, and he is correct they became “as gods knowing good and evil”, but neither one of them became “a god”.Hi Marty,Thanks for your answer.  Your input and insight is always welcomed…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Aug. 07 2013,20:27)Hi Mike,Gen.3:5   “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”I don't see the word gods? Go to the interlinear.I'm well aware that the word “elohim” in 3:5 could be translated as “God” or as “gods”.  But which one of those two tra…[Read more]