Quote (Colter @ Aug. 23 2013,04:36)The problem rests in your definition of God………..That indeed is the crux of the problem, Colter.The Webster's definition I like the best – the one that most accurately describes “elohim” and “theos” in the Bible, is: Any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers…[Read more]

Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 23 2013,00:12)…..even if there were a million Gods standing by the Father, all with that same Spirit which came forth from the Father within them…then there is still only One God.Hi Devo,While I don't agree with everything you said in the last post on page 2, you have hit the nail on the head with this statement I…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 22 2013,22:09)You believe in gods, correct?I clearly told you this in the other thread, which is why the title of this thread befuddles me.  But here goes again:I believe exactly what the Bible teaches.  So yes, I believe there are many gods and many lords, both in heaven and on earth (1 Cor 8:5) and that the LORD your G…[Read more]

Numbers 33:4 who were burying all their firstborn, whom the Lord had struck down among them; for the LORD had brought judgment on their gods.Deuteronomy 4:7 What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the LORD our God is near us whenever we pray to him?Moses was a polytheist.

Psalm 8:5You have made them a little lower than the gods and crowned them with glory and honor.King David was a polytheist.

John 10:35 If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside……..Jesus is a polytheist.

Psalm 82:6I said, “You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.”Jehovah is a polytheist.

For even if there are those called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many gods and many lords)………Paul was a polytheist.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2013,21:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2013,17:55)1 + 1 OF THE SAME THING = two of those things.I and the Father are one.”That is 1 + 1 = 1I wasn't aware that “father” and “son” are THE SAME THING.Kathi, how many theos are mentioned in John 1:1? One? Or two?

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 21 2013,20:02)The Jehovah of hosts is probably the Son of God. The Son of God is possibly Jehovah of hosts.Hmmmm…………. It's hard for me to believe that you would come to those conclusions from the scriptures I posted, Kathi. Very hard.Surely David is Jesus. And the one who raises up this king for the people is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 21 2013,19:19)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 21 2013,17:33)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2013,11:52)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 20 2013,02:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,15:08)So TWO gods, then?  One of whom was WITH the other?You won't get a straight answer here Mike, but the answer is clearly yes.If the Word is God and the Word was WITH God,…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 21 2013,23:18)Hard to argue against that Mike.Facts is facts!

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 21 2013,19:52)No, God and angels are sentient persons.I'm glad you agree that God is a sentient person, Marty. There are those on this site that argue against that claim.

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 22 2013,05:33)Mike,Christianity is a journey, and often it's best to go back to the beginning of a journey, to find spirit, and God is Spirit.Good words, 2B. I'm currently on my 5th time back from the beginning. Each time, I understand a little bit more. peace to you on your journey

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,11:01)He said I *prepare* a place for you.Funny. I just used that same scripture to refute one of your points in the other thread, Wakeup.

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,20:31)People who are in oppressive cults don't usually think they are in a cult. It's only those who are able to get out and see how screwed up their thinking had become.Kind of like us watching from the outside looking in at the effects your new cult has had on you? Wakeup has addressed your JW accusations and ad…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,06:09)Luke 22:30   That ye may eat and drink at my table in **my kingdom**, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. John 142 “My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,10:57)The purpose is to create another gospel, and another Jesus. To confuse the seekers.Agreed.Galatians 1:8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!EVEN AN ANGEL, Colter.

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 20 2013,18:16)NO; IT DOES NOT SAY 24 THRONES;BUT 24 SEATS.The Greek word is “thronos”, Wakeup. It is the same word used twice in 3:21.I believe that God's throne, Jesus' throne, the thrones of the elders, and the 12 thrones of the Apostles are all in heaven right now as we speak.Jesus begins to reign from his own in heaven…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2013,17:02)Argue your point with Jesus then, setting aside the mental gymnastics of belligerent denial.Jesus is the one who told me that my Father is also his Father, and my God is also his God.I believe him, therefore I have nothing to argue with him about.When Jesus said, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to…[Read more]