Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 22 2013,17:48)Paul was speaking about His incarnation. A child can understand it.Unless that child has a strong personal desire for Jesus to never have been anything other than a regular old human being like the rest of us.

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 22 2013,10:27)What Jesus is speaking about relative to seeing God is seeing Him through the life that he lives………So why did Jesus and John (and others) all say that no one but Jesus has seen God?Don't Moses, Abraham, Samuel, David, and a slew of others fit the definition you're using?

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 22 2013,17:45)Mike,There is no spirit body mentioned in any passage of Scripture.  When Scripture states body in the context of a living creature they are always talking about a flesh body.Angels have bodies, Kerwin.  They have wings, and some of them have multiple faces.  They have hands and feet.  And they dwell in hea…[Read more]

Also from another thread:Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 22 2013,14:22)Ok., Mike, I am wrong and you are right…………Now if everybody would just post these words the second they realize they are disagreeing with ME – things would go a lot more smoothly around here!         (Just kidding, of course!)What do ya say, jb?  Sound good…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 22 2013,14:22)Ok., Mike, I am wrong and you are right…………Now if everybody would just post these words the second they realize they are disagreeing with ME – things would go a lot more smoothly around here! (Just kidding, of course!)

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 22 2013,14:22)Satan has the power to deceive, and he has the power to “kill the body” through men who worship him as “a god”, but he is not “a god” to me.  I don't worship him nor do I obey him.It is not only “through men who worship him” that he has power, Marty.  He can also command fire from heaven and winds powerful e…[Read more]

That sounds like a bunch of lawyer mumble-jumbo. What does it mean? That the powers in the “courts of the Creator Son” determine one by one which human beings will die, and then send assassins to kill them?

Colter, I didn't want to spent too much time reading all the UB quotes you posted.Perhaps you could show me ONLY the verse(s) that explains the PUNISHMENT God will bestow on those who sin and refuse to repent of those sins.

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 22 2013,00:41)In English Jesus took on the form of a servant and God made him in the form of a human.In English, Jesus first EMPTIED HIMSELF…………. and then was made in the form of a human.One cannot EMPTY HIMSELF before he exists. Therefore, Jesus existed BEFORE he was made in the form of a human.

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 22 2013,02:52)You told Carmel that there is no spiritual flesh in Scripture and yet Scripture speaks of a natural body and a spiritual body. That is to say a natural flesh and a spiritual flesh.Kerwin,Listen to Wakeup. There is no such thing as “spiritual flesh” mentioned in ANY scripture.There are flesh bodies, and spirit bodies.

From another thread:Quote (942767 @ Sep. 21 2013,19:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,15:17)So you realize that “was existing/existed” is implied from the past tense form of the rest of the statement, right?We agree that all the things Paul mentioned in verses 6-11 had already happened in the past, despite the fact Paul used the present tense…[Read more]

Wrong. Satan is one of those gods, and he has shown his incredible power countless times throughout scripture. Read Job 1 and 2 again, Marty, and then tell me how “powerless” Satan is.Please answer my question: Does the fact that the Israelites acknowledged the EXISTENCE of the idols of the nations mean that those Israelites were idolaters? YES or NO?

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,12:26)This is my point Mike. You can not just take a verse and say..”see, it says this so that is it.” You have to look at the context of the verse.Okay. But now address the fact that no man has ever seen God at any time, yet Jesus said that he had seen God.He couldn't have seen God when he was a man, for John wrote…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,12:26)And, the context of Phil 2 is we should have THAT mind in us.Not a mind of a preexistent being, but a mind of one willing to forsake themselves and serve God perfectly.I'm glad you brought that up again, since I forgot to go back and address it the last time.Leviticus 20:26 You must be holy because I, the LORD, am…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,12:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,04:32)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,09:34)I do not believe that Elijah ever at any point stopped existing as Elijah. So, it will not be a preexistent being..It will be Elijah, just as he always was!!So when Elijah again comes to the earth, will he have pre-existed this second earthly…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,12:18) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)I'll put it a different way:  In what form WAS Jesus existing when he didn't (past tense) consider equality with God something to be grasped?He was “in the form of God.”  Do you see how the word “was”, that we BOTH used, applies?  Do you see how that word, IN AND OF ITSELF, doesn't say one si…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,12:10)Well, I'd say forever, everlasting, permanent..ALL mean eternity.I agree that all those things also mean “eternity”.  What I'm trying to show you is that “owlam” never in scripture means any of them.English translators often render “owlam” as “everlasting” or whatever, but the word doesn't mean any of those…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,12:00)What he “emptied himself of” was His OWN desires, His OWN will, His OWN thoughts, etc.Where in Phil 2 can we read that, jb?Where does it say that Jesus was filled with desires of his own, but emptied himself?

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,11:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,03:28)Obama, although he was the President of the U.S., came under scrutiny concerning his U.S. citizenship.Now please DIRECTLY answer this very simple question:Does the fact that Obama WAS President WHEN he came under scrutiny say ANYTHING AT ALL about whether or not he is STILL…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 22 2013,11:56)AND THEN WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MAN (this one threw me……..I appreciate your openness and honesty in this post.  But your own words say it all, jb.  You have admitted that the words “and was made in the likeness of a human being” simply don't fit into your understanding that Jesus already was a human b…[Read more]