Quote (2besee @ Oct. 20 2013,16:10)But you know what I believe, Mike. And I know what you believe.Who do you think the “US” is in Gen 1:26, 2B? I wonder who Irenaeus thought the “US” was.

Marty, The words plainly say “through whom He created the ages”. You are right that these words are about “the Son” as is clearly taught in that very passage.So if the ages were made through the Son, then the Son must have existed to have the ages made through him.That is the SENSIBLE understanding of the words. Your “explanation” borders on the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 20 2013,14:19)“Logos” by definition is not a person, but are the sayings of God which embody God's plan for humanity and reveal to humanity His Character.The same as in English, “word” is by definition not normally a person. But if a spokesman is called by the title “the word of the king”, it does refer to a person.In…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,12:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 20 2013,00:01)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,11:50)Both Jesus and the children are said to share in flesh in blood though different words are used that mean the same thing just as partake and take part are synonyms.  Both parties are made by God.  “Took on” seems to contradict the idea e…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,12:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 19 2013,23:52)I disagree.  I see no scripture where a man was called a god by an inspired writer of scripture.The fact that pagans and others considered men to be gods is of no consequence.  When an inspired writer of scripture said “god”, he was talking about powerful spirit beings – n…[Read more]

Better yet, why don't YOU quote me the part where Jesus says, “Spirits cannot be touched, nor can they eat”.When you do that, it will again be worth my time to discuss. Until then, I will continue to reject your made-up theory out of hand.As for the other topic, am I to assume that you believe Satan's angels are spirit beings, but God's angels…[Read more]

Kerwin,I'm not sure anymore what we're even talking about.  I thought I was showing you that the earth was already there when God said, “Let there be light”, and that the angels must have also been there since they shouted for joy when God laid the foundations of the earth.I can't make heads or tails out of your recent comments concerning this…[Read more]

Kerwin,The sons of God shouted with joy WHILE God laid the foundations of the earth:Job 386 On what were its footings set,    or who laid its cornerstone—7 while the morning stars sang together    and all the angels shouted for joy?And the earth was already there, formless and void WHEN God said, “Let there be light”:Genesis 12 Now the earth was f…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,12:59)Mike,Quote I reject these two as unworthy of a response, since there is no scripture that says spirit beings can't touch, be touched, or eat.You have claimed that before but you also have not answered my point I raised about Jesus given evidence he was not a spirit in Luke.WHAT POINT, KERWIN? ! ? I have…[Read more]

Kerwin,You agree that demons are Satan's “angels”. And we all know that demons are “evil SPIRITS”.And you know that Paul says all angels are “ministering SPIRITS”.And there are many scriptures besides the ones I just quoted that CONTRAST flesh things against spirit things.Will you continue to believe the Satan and his angels are truly spirit…[Read more]

Here's another, Kerwin:Isaiah 31:3 But the Egyptians are mere mortals and not God; their horses are flesh and not spirit.Another CONTRAST between mortal things who are made of FLESH, and spiritual things which are made of SPIRIT.Compare with Zechariah 6, and 2 Kings 6, where the chariots and horses of the heavenly realms consist of SPIRIT and or…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,11:29)If it was only deception I would agree but a lying prophecy is a false prophecy and it is a desire of the flesh to prophesize falsely.1 Samuel 16:14 Now the Spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,11:29)1) I believe there are different…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,11:50)Both Jesus and the children are said to share in flesh in blood though different words are used that mean the same thing just as partake and take part are synonyms. Both parties are made by God. “Took on” seems to contradict the idea expressed in the words “was made” where “took part” does not.Despite your…[Read more]

I disagree. I see no scripture where a man was called a god by an inspired writer of scripture.The fact that pagans and others considered men to be gods is of no consequence. When an inspired writer of scripture said “god”, he was talking about powerful spirit beings – not men.(Sometimes, he was talking about man-made idols that people…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,11:08)Mike,Quote The Word was with God in the beginningThat is why it is written “And God said” in the beginning but you seem to want to add to it.Genesis 1:1-3Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 19 2013,10:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 20 2013,03:17)No Marty,The CONFUSION comes when you let your personal wishes override your ability to understand and believe the seven points I listed in my last post.(BTW, I only listed seven, but there are dozens of other ones.)How do you answer those seven, Marty?  How do you show me…[Read more]

No Marty,The CONFUSION comes when you let your personal wishes override your ability to understand and believe the seven points I listed in my last post.(BTW, I only listed seven, but there are dozens of other ones.)How do you answer those seven, Marty?  How do you show me I'm wrong in noticing that all the things said about “the Word” are also…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 18 2013,10:08)Satan and his angels are who I am speaking of.Kerwin,I don't disagree with most of your post.  I realize that Satan still continued to gather in heaven with the other angels – even after he had caused Adam and Eve to sin.  (Job 1 and 2)And I know that throughout the rebellion of Satan and his angels, they were s…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 18 2013,19:09)1).Picture it as *God alone* existing in his domain,and his Word *INSIDE* him. God has *NOT* deceided to speak out to create anything yet.*Before* all creation.YOU CAN SEE HERE,THAT     *THE WORD WAS GOD*.Wait a minute.  Was the Word something that was “INSIDE God”?  Or was the Word “God Himself”?  Which one?…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 15 2013,20:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 16 2013,07:33)…there is no conflict whatsoever between made in the likeness of a human” and partook in flesh.Mike,The AKJV “took” verse could support my claim that Jesus did not take on the form of an angel.  It disagrees with your claim he did.  I don't use it because it is q…[Read more]