Quote (942767 @ Jan. 09 2014,20:29)And, Jesus explained what he meant by stating that “'before Abraham was 'I Am'”……….What happens to your doctrine if you use the correct English translation, Marty.What happens if you realize that Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I have existed” ?Would THAT be enough to put you on the right track?I often…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 08 2014,11:33)Now if you could have lived forever and not had to died, a horrible and torturous  death  , would that be easy to you even if you know what the outcome would be.Are you kidding me?  I would die a torturous death if it meant my 12 year old son could go on living his life on earth.I would die 100 to…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 08 2014,10:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2014,11:38)I want to know why those SAME EXACT REASONS cannot by applied in John 1:1 and 1:14.Mike……..Simple, It's one thing to say, Jesus speaks GOD the FATHERS Word to us, and it's quite different to say He “IS” those WORDS, so you can Get it to say Jesus is (A) GOD . Now…[Read more]

Kerwin, I don't “deny” that there are “communities”, “assemblies”, and “congregations” of human beings mentioned all throughout scripture – so therefore I am NOT “in denial” about what you've “shown me”.What you HAVEN'T been able to show me is that God was ever “standing” in the midst of any of these congregations, rendering judgments upon those…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2014,13:18)Mike,Quote 1.  It IS a guess if the words actually say “FLESH    AND    BLOOD” – but they translate those words as “mortal body”.A guess is a conclusion based on little or no evidence such as your conclusion that 1 Corinthians 15:50 is declaring that only a spirit body may enter the kingdom of heaven.The evid…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2014,00:03)Mike,Hebrews 2:14Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood……….That is two out of five uses and I don't any of them are to be taken literal.Well? Are “the children” (US) comprised of both FLESH and BLOOD? Yes, we are.So we can take that one at…[Read more]

Wakeup,1. Tough to say. It is my mind that decides whether or not I will get up in the morning and walk to my car and drive to work. So is my mind controlling my body? And who exactly is “ME”? Isn't “ME” a combination of my mind, body, spirit, and soul?2. Yes, I METAPHORICALLY speak my mind. It is an idiom that means “say what you are…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 09 2014,13:23)Mike,YOUR PERSPECTIVE, REGARDING GOD'S WORD, IS COMPLETELY BLANK, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON, THAT YOU ARE TREATING GOD AS A MERE CREATURE!Hi Charles,I've already heard the claim that it doesn't have to make sense to us because we can't understand the ways of God a bunch of times.That is the standard cop-out statement…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2014,12:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2014,07:38)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2014,14:33)1.  God's word commands all things that are in heaven and on earth and so does Jesus.2.  God's word is a mediator between God and man and is Jesus.Please explain these claims, Kerwin.1.  Do you believe God's word is a living being in he…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2014,06:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2014,12:32)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 08 2014,12:57)When God's Word was made flesh(a human) His name is Jesus. But now, He is back as the Word of God.Wakeup, are you saying he is no longer Jesus?Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 08 2014,12:57)You also believe that God died on the cross.Don't YOU also…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 08 2014,23:16)Of course it is from the day he was on that white horse.It was said that no one *knew* Him.The Word of God's name is the Word of God.So if no one “knew” his new name at the time he is riding the horse, then it is clear that no one today knows it, right?Because if they don't yet know it in the future, then how…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2014,00:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2014,07:02)Also, are we agreed that “the Word” is something or someone OTHER THAN God Almighty the Father?Mike,Yes.1. Since we agree that the Word is/was something other than God Almighty the Father, doesn't the translation, “and the Word was God“ give a false impression? Wouldn't…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 08 2014,23:00)Ok Mike, I'll jump in.Quote (mikeboll @ 64)So then Jesus IS actually God Almighty Himself?YES or NO? A definate NOAgreed!  And thank you for that DIRECT answer, journey.  Unfortunately, that answer leaves more questions.  I'll start with just one.Since Jesus was NOT God Almighty on earth, and since the Gr…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2014,10:36)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2014,11:34)The more they feel cornered,the more agitated they get.You can tell when they get to feeling insecure,they start picking up stones.That is the sign of weakness.Their whole foundation has been shaken,and they dont like that a bit.wakeup.I ALMOST CRYING OF LAUGHING,        <…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2014,00:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2014,07:02)Also, are we agreed that “the Word” is something or someone OTHER THAN God Almighty the Father?Mike,Yes.Good. I'll have more to say tomorrow. It's late and I'm really tired right now.

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2014,00:24)Mike,I did find one.John 8:47Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.All three are the same word but only God's appears to be the third use.In Greek, that use is merely the genitive form of “theos”. It literally says, <…[Read more]

Gene,I'll get back to you tomorrow. It's late and I'm tired.

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 08 2014,05:05)Yes mike, there are so many references to Christ pre-existing, that it is a surprise that one would conclude that he did not exist before being found in the flesh. Rejection of the Trinity is only useful if one is pursuing the truth about who God is. But rejection for the sake of rejection leads men to not know to…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 08 2014,06:02)He had tried the straight out direct answer, but it's a little complicated, so it goes on and on, and I jump in to help out too……….Well, jump in more often, journey.When I'm discussing this stuff with YOU, things are being answered. Things are getting LEARNED.Not so much with Wakeup.So if YOU can…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 08 2014,00:42)MIke B.Maybe this will work.God has a mind;and his words came out of His mind. His Word is the result of His thinking.God and his mind are one. Can not be seperated.So then Jesus IS actually God Almighty Himself?YES or NO?(Btw, Jesus has a DIFFERENT mind and a DIFFERENT will than his Father's. So your analogy is…[Read more]