Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,23:51)God gave me the KJV, and I stick to it.In the KJV I have found all the answers.Your “answers” have more twists and turns than an Agatha Christie novel. I wonder what it is about that work of HUMAN BEINGS that causes people to say, “Right or wrong, I'm sticking with it”.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 15 2014,17:45)Mike……it could mean that , but it also could mean Jesus was mentioned in the scriptures before Abraham and therefore was more important, in the plan and purpose then Abraham.So now, knowing that there is no way 8:58 could be construed as Jesus saying he was more important than Abraham, you have decided…[Read more]

John 8:58 NWTJesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” NLT ©Jesus answered, “The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!”It is true that the actual Greek words say, “I am” – in the present tense.  But it is also true that translating Greek into English requires us to work around certa…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 14 2014,21:49)I suppose if Mike heard Jesus say,Before Abraham I AM.He would have gone all red in the face , and start calling him names. Because it does not make sense to him.wakeup.I am going to try to explain a few things to Marty, Wakeup, and Gene.  I don't expect them to understand these things – mostly because they…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2014,19:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2014,12:39)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2014,19:37)Please show me by the scriptures that “he was in the form of God prior to his birth into this world”.Phil 2:6-8, Marty.No, Mike, it does not say that.  It says that was “in the form of God” that much is true, but the rest is your…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2014,19:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2014,12:35)You say that all things WERE created through Jesus, right?  Good.  At least your not using that lame “on account of” thing anymore.  See?  We're making progress.Now, can I sensibly claim that you were created THROUGH your parents?  Of course, since you were indeed crea…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2014,19:37)Please show me by the scriptures that “he was in the form of God prior to his birth into this world”.Phil 2:6-8, Marty.

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2014,19:29)Hi Mike:You want me to tell you why the translators the way they did, and all I can say, is that I suppose that it was the context of what was being said.And in WHAT context would it make sense to say, “Before Abraham existed, I am“ ?Would we say, “I am with you since last year” ? Or would we say, “I HAVE BEEN…[Read more]

Unlike you Marty,I have no personal preferences. If the Bible taught that Jesus is the Most High God, I would accept that as truth.If the Bible taught that Jesus began his existence as a human being 2000 years ago, I would accept that as truth.But the Bible doesn't teach either of those things.You say that all things WERE created through Jesus,…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 14 2014,13:38)SO ANSWER THIS NOW! WHAT DO YOU THINK WISDOM IS?IS IT AN ATTRIBUTE OF GOD ONLY?IS IT A SPIRIT BEING ONLY?OR IS IT BOTH SPIRIT BEING AND AN ATTRIBUTE OF GOD?Hi Charles,It depends on the context.The word “wisdom” most often refers to an attribute of not only God, but of MANY beings.  On rare occasions, like in…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 13 2014,19:34)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2014,01:46)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 10 2014,07:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 10 2014,07:28)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2014,12:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2014,07:38)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2014,14:33)1.  God's word commands all things that are in heaven and on earth and so does Jesus.2.  God's w…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 13 2014,19:30)To all,I may be slow at responding.You're always slow, Kerwin. Oh – I'm sorry. You weren't talking about MENTALLY slow, were you?

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2014,19:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 13 2014,08:40)1.  And how about NOW?  Is he the Son of God at God's right hand?  Or has he somehow become the God he used to be again?2.  Also, if you say he was NOT God Himself, but the SON OF God when he was on earth, do you suppose his disciples also knew this fact?  And if they did…[Read more]

Marty,I'm still waiting for your reply to the second post on page 50……….. when you get the time of course.

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2014,18:35)Yes, he did create all things through Jesus Christ.  Let's just leave it at that, Marty. You and I and t8 all agree that ALL THINGS (including the heavens, the earth, and everything in them) were created by God and through Jesus.Now we're all speaking the scriptural truth of the matter. Doesn't it feel good? …

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2014,14:44)Mike,Quote 8:27-31 explain how this particular “wisdom” was a master craftsman at God's side during the creation process.  Where have we heard that before?  Perhaps in John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, 1 Corinthians 8:6, and Hebrews 1:2?You are probably using the Net bible's translation though some others seem to a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2014,14:31)Mike,Quote 8:23-26 mention how the origins of this particular “wisdom” were from ancient times.  Where have we heard that before?  Maybe in Micah 5:2, John 8:58, or Jude 1:25?Yes,  I know of your misinterpretation of these passages.  Your doctrine is not based on reason as more than one thing has old origins and…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2014,14:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 13 2014,02:27)Hmmmmm………… Proverbs 8:22 says God brought this particular “wisdom” forth as the first of His works.  Where have we heard that before? Do “firstborn of every creature”, “God's firstborn Son”, and “beginning of the creation by God” ring any bells?Mike,The AV of the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2014,13:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 13 2014,02:27)What PERSON is metaphorically called “the wisdom of God” in the above verse, Kerwin?  Could it be the same PERSON who is metaphorically called “the wisdom of God” in Proverbs 8?Mike,Wisdom in Proverbs 8 is a personification and not a person as by her kings reign.Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2014,15:43)I assume you know that when Scripture speaks of a Spiritual man it is speaking of a man that is led by the Spirit. In a like manner when it is speaking of a non-Spiritual man it is speaking of a man that is led by the principles of this world instead of by the Spirit.Your post brings a few questions to my mind,…[Read more]