Quote (942767 @ Jan. 19 2014,10:13)Yes, Mike, I said it was a stupid question…………Actually, it was an ingenious question, Marty.  It was designed to make your mind go through the following process:Q:  Marty, would it make sense to say YOU were created THROUGH your grandchild?A.  No Mike, not at all.Q:  And why is that, Marty?A:  Because it&#…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 19 2014,10:07)Hi Mike:Because he was speaking of himself as a person at that particular point in time, and he did exist in the heart of the Father before the foundation of the world, before anything was created………….Marty,You are making great strides lately! First, you have come to accept that all things were created…[Read more]

What you're saying now doesn't align with these words you supported earlier:the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to GodWas Jesus “flesh” while on earth?And how can you say Jesus himself was a spiritual man, but dwelled in a sinful body that was “apart…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2014,17:13)Mike you ever looked at the word they use in Proverb 8;22 (bringforth) in the KJV 1611 version  the original  this word is no longer in our dictionary todayThat doesn't surprise me, Pierre. My “autocorrect” is always flagging words from the KJV when I quote that version.

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 18 2014,16:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 19 2014,01:14)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,22:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2014,04:57)Here's what we know from scripture:1a.  Wisdom was the craftsman at God's side during the creation process.1b.  Jesus is called “the wisdom of God”.2a.  God framed the ages by His Word. 2b.  Jesus is…[Read more]

Hi Charles,You have my answer.Btw, “the Word” never stopped being the Word. He was God's spokesman before he became flesh, while he was flesh, and remains God's spokesman to this very day.  He has been a servant of God from the moment God created him.

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 16 2014,22:33)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2014,11:10)Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 16 2014,09:58)It's like a foreign language being spoken to them.When people quote the KJV, it IS like a foreign language being spoken!  Nobody speaks Shakespearian English anymore!   Yeah but everybody speaks fluent Hebrew and Greek insteadWhat's t…[Read more]

I never said that the scriptures say God changed Gabriel to a man. I was using an analogy to make a point. Please answer the question.Also, would you answer the question I have numbered 2 in my post?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2014,18:33)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 17 2014,08:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2014,12:13)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 16 2014,17:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 16 2014,09:40)Do YOU suppose that you were created through your great, great grandson?  YES or NO?And if “NO”, why not?Hi Mike:What does that have to do with the fact that God…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 17 2014,09:31)And what he said is, “before Abraham was “I exist”.  He existed in the heart of the Father from the beginning, foreordained to be born into this world….Marty,I am truly happy to I know that you understand what those words mean in John 8:58.  Jesus was indeed saying, “I exist”.And I'm sure you can understand t…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 13 2014,17:12)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2014,04:25)so that is my answer and understand that ;BORN/BRING FORTH/CREATED/CONCEIVED, ARE ALE THE SAME THING Pierre, Your answer to me is more clear now.  You say Jesus was BORN in heaven, and by saying he was BORN, you mean he was CREATED by God,and not only that, he was…[Read more]

Quote (sonofGod @ Jan. 18 2014,09:08)Jesus Christ is come in the fleshThe wording is clear.Nothing about changing into flesh.Nothing about putting on a flesh suit1. Are you saying that if the angel Gabriel was changed into a human being, we couldn't sensibly say that he “came in the flesh”?2. On the other hand, about which human being, who has…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,22:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2014,04:57)Here's what we know from scripture:1a.  Wisdom was the craftsman at God's side during the creation process.1b.  Jesus is called “the wisdom of God”.2a.  God framed the ages by His Word. 2b.  Jesus is called “the Word of God”.And Hebrews 1:2 links all of these hints tog…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,22:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2014,04:34)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,15:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2014,06:00)But did Jesus have a “sinful BODY” that was “led by the principles of this world instead of by the Spirit” while he was on earth?Mike,I don't think that Scripture looks at it as a sinful body. I…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,21:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2014,04:31)The follow up question is about Revelation 19:13.  In that verse, does the phrase “the Word of God” still just refer to an unnamed thing that is poetically being personified as a living being?Or does that phrase refer to an actual living person?Mike,Yes it does but then it…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 17 2014,08:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2014,12:13)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 16 2014,17:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 16 2014,09:40)Do YOU suppose that you were created through your great, great grandson?  YES or NO?And if “NO”, why not?Hi Mike:What does that have to do with the fact that God knew that a specific time He would…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 16 2014,19:13)Mike, the point you were making is that the word obeisance was used so many times in the KJV.I agreed, but in the proof you gave me, I said not one of those verses is speaking of worshipping God, but is referring to honouring man.Yes, the KJV indeed uses the word “obeisance” a number of times………. the…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 16 2014,19:13)If God preserved his Word like he said he did, and his Word is true, which we know it is, then God inspired the word worship, and not man. God inspired the Hebrew word “shachah”, and the Greek word “proskuneo”.  The inspired writers of scripture spoke those two languages, journey.  No inspired writer of s…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2014,18:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2014,11:15)If the disciples had yet to see Jesus coming on the clouds, why then did they “worship” him when he was only a man on earth?Mike b.Because of their true understanding.They have been given knowledge.To worship the one that have created them  never can be seen as doing the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 16 2014,17:45)Hi Mike:The context has to do with the Jews accusing him of saying that he had seen Abraham, and he did not say that.Marty,The Jews implied it was impossible for Jesus to have ever seen Abraham, since he wasn't even 50 years old yet.And his response to them was that he had been in existence before Abraham ever…[Read more]