Okay Kerwin,So you believe that the body Jesus dwelled on earth with for 40 more days before being taken to heaven was his new “spiritual” body, right?

This is a useless argument, IMO.Because even if Pierre and Wm are correct, and God can only foretell what's going to happen because He knows ahead of time what He's going to CAUSE to happen, it is STILL a matter of God “foreknowing” something.And to “foreknow” something is to have “foresight”. And to have “foresight” is to have the ability to…[Read more]

journey,Let's try that Colossians 1 passage all together, so you can get my point:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:16 For…[Read more]

Thank you for the direct answers, Wakeup.  That is how a discussion is supposed to work.Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2014,17:01) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)1.  Was this being a LITERAL word (or words) that God SPOKE out of Himself?No not one litteral word,but the whole package.No person has just a one litteral word. do you?Okay.  So let's imagine that ve…[Read more]

This is a useless argument, IMO.Because even if Pierre and Wm are correct, and God can only foretell what's going to happen because He knows ahead of time what He's going to CAUSE to happen, it is STILL a matter of God “foreknowing” something.And to “foreknow” something is to have “foresight”. And to have “foresight” is to have the ability to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 04 2014,10:11)Mike,The creation story in Genesis explicitly declares God made all things through his word.  It does not declare he made anything through another being.Ahh, but if Jesus IS the one called “God's Word” – as we KNOW to be the case from Rev 19:13 – then saying God made all things “through His Word” is the SAME as…[Read more]

Wakeup,Please answer question #1 and question #2 DIRECTLY.They really only require simple “YES” or “NO” answers.Didn't you agree in the other thread that this private discussion of ours would be handled with DIRECT answers to each other's questions?So be a man of your word, and answer those 2 questions directly………… without a bunch of…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2014,15:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 04 2014,03:14)Pierre,This is very simple for me. God either knew the Israelites would go after the gods of the nations because He can foresee the future……… or He knew it because He knew He was going to CAUSE them to do it.Those are the only two choices in the matter – as far as…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 02 2014,17:24)Yes, there was a difference in the process of his conception.No, there was no difference in his pre-resurection body.I disagree about that part, Kerwin.But let me ask you if Jesus was an EXCEPTION to Paul's 1 Cor 15 teaching for any reason whatsoever.I say YES. What do you say?(Whatever your answer, I will…[Read more]

Okay. That doesn't erase the THREE different scriptures that say God created all things through Jesus Christ, does it?So my question stands. Why do you assume God created all things through “the Word” BEFORE the Word was made flesh – but you DON'T assume God created all things through Jesus Christ BEFORE he was made flesh?Why a double standard -…[Read more]

Btw Wakeup,To recognize Jesus as the servant OF God – and not God Almighty Himself – is not “of the antichrist”. Don't you even know what the word “christ” means? It doesn't mean “God Himself”. Instead, it refers to someone who was anointed BY God.So if I accept Jesus as the Christ OF God, and not as God Almighty Himself, then I am the one who…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2014,13:24)He said that there are *MANY* antichrists in his day.What about today? The ones that are in charge oftranslating the bible are ALL ANTICHRISTS.So the antichrists were making bad translations in John's day.  And they are here in our current age doing the same thing.  But for some reason, they took a break in 1…[Read more]

Hi journey,In a couple of Bibles, that verse goes something like this:And though I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, was I not known to them by my name JEHOVAH?In that translation, Jehovah was asking a rhetorical question to point out to Moses that those others had indeed already known Him by the name…[Read more]

Pierre,This is very simple for me. God either knew the Israelites would go after the gods of the nations because He can foresee the future……… or He knew it because He knew He was going to CAUSE them to do it.Those are the only two choices in the matter – as far as I can tell. And I don't believe the second one is what happened.

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2014,15:01)in God case God knows all things because he cause his plans to succeed with no one to stop him……..So then you think God CAUSED the Israelites to sin against Him by going after other gods?

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2014,15:08)I SAY THE WORD OF GOD IS A LIVING BREATHING BEING WHICH GOD BROUGTH FORTH FROM INSIDE HIMSELF.GOD'S WORD COMES FROM INSIDE GOD,AND NO WHERE ELSE.I agree 100%, Wakeup.So, first up……….1.  Was this being a LITERAL word (or words) that God SPOKE out of Himself? 2.  Was this Word already a “living breathing b…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2014,15:08)MIKE; WHAT WAS HE BORN OUT OF??  IN HEAVEN.ARE ANGELS ALSO BORN??Jesus was made directly by God, as the first of God's many works.Angels are also spirit sons of God, so we could also poetically say that God “gave birth” to them as well. Don't get bogged down in the word “born”, since it's not like God actually…[Read more]

Look to the two scriptures you posted for your answer, journey.One of them tells us that all things were created through “the Word”.And the other one tells us that all things were created through “God's Son”.Both of those titles belong to the same person, right?  But how could all things have been created through “God's Son” if “God's Son” didn't…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2014,10:02)MY QUESTION WAS :IS KNOWING = TO FORESEEN IF YES THEN THEN YES GOD FORESEESYes Pierre,”Foreknowledge” is the ability to have knowledge about something that hasn't yet happened.  It means to know something AHEAD OF TIME.And a synonym of “foreknowledge” is “foresight”.  And “foresight” means “the ability to f…[Read more]

I discussed this topic with my Mom and my Aunt Sandy this past weekend. They both sided with Pierre and Wm on this one. To tell the truth, I can see it from both ways……. at first. I can see what Pierre is saying. He is saying that God doesn't look forward and watch future events unfolding, but instead can foretell the future because He can…[Read more]