Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 16 2014,18:17)Mike B.I know that you will not answer this simple question also.Like many others.I will answer each and every question you ask – if you do it one at a time, Wakeup.Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 16 2014,18:17)How would the dead christians be resurrected?On what substance will they be given a new form?The bodies of the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 17 2014,16:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 18 2014,03:45)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 16 2014,17:50)Mike,I already admitted the human kings that sit on the throne of David are called gods.Good.  So my point #1 stands as FACT, right?On to point #2…….   Can you refute it?The word that was made flesh has been a god in the sense he was m…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 17 2014,08:52)According to you the word firstborn means David was born before any creation of earth. including Adam.The word “firstborn”, like the word “word”, has more than one meaning in scripture, Kerwin.But just because “firstborn” CAN sometimes refer to a high-ranking status instead of to actual childbirth, doesn't mean…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Feb. 17 2014,00:25)COMMENT PLEASE! UNLESS I TAKE IT FOR GRANTED THAT YOU DO AGREE WITH ME!Don't ever make that mistake, Charles.  You will be wrong 99% of the time.   Quote (carmel @ Feb. 17 2014,00:25) …….SATAN HAD THE RIGHT TO POSSESS ALL SOULS FROM BIRTH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SELECT DUE TO ADAM'S SIN………I have n…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 16 2014,17:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2014,23:30)But in your own understanding, SOMETHING besides “God Himself” was WITH “God Himself” in the beginning, and God created ALL THINGS through that “something other than God”.So YOUR OWN understanding contradicts YOUR OWN understanding.Mike,God's word is not created.  You claim…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 16 2014,17:50)Mike,I already admitted the human kings that sit on the throne of David are called gods.Good. So my point #1 stands as FACT, right?On to point #2……. Can you refute it?

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2014,15:47)Mikeone thing also puzzles me with wakeup, it is that he make GOD A BREATHING BEING……….I think he teaches that God “split into two pieces”, and one of the pieces remained “God”, while the other piece became “the Word of God”.But even as two pieces, they are BOTH still “God” – and both are to be…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2014,12:35)No man has heard God's;own voice.So your misunderstanding of one scripture is causing you to stumble, and come up with other misunderstandings of other scriptures.You need to get that checked.Exodus 19 KJV19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered…[Read more]

True, Pierre.Wakeup attributes ALL of God's spoken words to a living breathing being OTHER THAN God Himself.He seems to think that God spoke a being out of His mouth, and has from that time on been completely silent, letting this new being do all the talking for Him.Wakeup's God seems to be a mute.

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 16 2014,10:26)Mike,Jesus is not an angel of God or of Satan.  The angels were created after the waters, the clouds, the winds, at the least.Yes Kerwin,I am well aware that one of the reasons you don't accept the scriptures that say Jesus is the firstborn of ALL creation, and the one through whom God created all other things…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 16 2014,10:18)They called a human king god……….So then, even in YOUR understanding of Hebrews 1:8-9, Jesus was called a god?So that pretty much substantiates my point #1, right?Please say so for the record.

So “JESUS” was one of the forms this “indication of the presence of the mind and will of God” took?And “JESUS” was one of the forms through which “the mind and will of God was revealed”?Is that correct?And also, what other “forms” did this thing take on? Is “JESUS” the ONLY one?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 16 2014,10:45)If we Chose by are so-called “fREEWILLS” Which is the issue here, Then tell us why do we need the HOLY SPIRIT to ABIDE IN US in the first Place.The Holy Spirit helps us with those free-will choices, Gene. It doesn't make those choices for us.Remember that Saul was anointed with the Holy Spirit, and still…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2014,11:10) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Let's test it out:…..it doth not yet appear OBTAIN what we shall be….Does that make sense to you?  Of course not, so “obtain” is not a viable option.  (It wasn't anyway because it is not even a synonym or definition of that Greek word.)It is a paraphrase and not a sentence where c…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2014,11:26)Do you still believe these words speak of heaven? If so then heaven has light, water, clouds, wind, and perhaps other things. Wouldn't a body made of any of those things mentioned or unmentioned be heavenly?Yes,I believe that there is a different kind of “water” in heaven.  We've discussed this before.When Jesus…[Read more]

Wakeup,This is a private thread for now.

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2014,12:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2014,06:05)That definition is VERY confusing to me. Walk me through what exactly that means, using laymen's terms.2) 'The form in which' the mind and will of God 'is revealed.'And what “form” did this thing take? To whom was it “revealed”?

Good stuff, Marty. You are showing a lot more patience on this subject than I could muster.No, God did not “create evil”, like Wakeup believes.  That is simply a flawed translation in the KJV.And no, God does not control our minds, like Gene believes.We were created with the free will to make choices all throughout our lives. God created His…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2014,11:43)The Jews teach there are only two names in that passage but the certain translators who teach Jesus is God or those that teach Jesus is a god use four names. Bias!And what about Hebrews 1:8-9, Kerwin?Does my point #1 stand? Or can you scripturally refute it?Which one please?(Then, please address #2 on the list.)

journey, I want to get to your other points in that last post, but I feel you are going to already be bogged down by what I've posted so far.Plus, I'm still waiting for you to tell me why the SCRIPTURES say God created all things through “His Son, Jesus Christ”, but YOU say that God created all things through a being who LATER BECAME God's Son…[Read more]