miia:  Hi all, how is this flat earth topic going? I read your post replies to me about a week ago Mike and Dig, but haven’t had a chance to respond. Not even sure what page they’re on. Sincere apologies. And I did read them, thank you.

It’s going slowly.  D4T and I are chomping at the bit to bring up a bunch more evidence, but are holding back b…[Read more]

Kathi:  The moon moves counter clockwise around the earth, that is west to east, not east to west. The science sites were right.

Even the one that had the earth rotating clockwise so the progression of the shadow looked more natural?  🙂  I realize that in your model, the moon orbits the earth in the same direction that the earth rotates.  But…[Read more]

T8: One of these days, I will be able to workaround the restriction of not being able to Add Media from the get go.

That will be nice.

T8:  Please understand that the amount of code that runs this forum is immense. It’s like trying to hunt through DNA and locate a defect. Okay not that bad, but you get the idea.

Don’t stress, I’m just yanking your chain.  If you think it’ll be helpful to others, I’ll leave the images that attach to the OP right where they are.  I thought it was a…[Read more]

From the Book of Enoch, chapter 18:

And I saw how the winds stretch out the vaults of heaven, and have their station between heaven and earth: these are the pillars of the heaven. I saw the winds of heaven which turn and bring the circumference of the sun and all the stars to their setting.

Chapter 33:

And to the east of those beasts I saw the…

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Kathi:  Btw, did you look at the links that show an animation of the lunar eclipse from the top down? The light on the bottom of the moon is not coming from the sun, it is coming from the outer shadow of the earth.

Still hoping to help you 😉

I think it is more likely that in trying to help me, you will inevitably help yourself.  🙂  And yes, I sa…[Read more]

Kathi:  Hi Mike,

I’m sorry it has taken me so long to address this. I have been busy with my work and grandkids. I saw that you were mad that no one apologized to you because you believe that the verse that I gave you did not say what it did in fact say. 

No apology necessary, although I was sorry to see you weren’t posting on this thread any m…[Read more]

T8, I have made an effort to shorten my posts and ask easy-to-answer questions, because I know your time here is limited.  I have done this in posts 830728, 729, 731,732,733, and 734.  All are on the bottom of page 117.  All have one or two simple, straightforward questions that I would like answered by you.

Thanks in advance.

D4T:  However, I want to bring up a point that t8 made and is also assumed in your example. T8 said that it would be like a ride in a car rather than on a motorcycle and you used the airplane example. Both examples must have a firmament for this thought experiment to work. In the case of the car the firmament is the roof and in the airplane it i…

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Kathi:  Seems to me that I could stack Jenga blocks on a fold down tray in an airplane on a smooth flight without a problem while it zooms through the sky following the curvature of the earth. A turbulent flight would be different.

Do you suppose our atmosphere has a solid roof on it like an airplane?  Do you think you’d be successful with the Je…[Read more]

T8:  I am going to list the verses that talk about the sun setting in scripture…

That appears to be the list I went through.  I wasn’t able to find a Hebrew word in any of those verses that expressly indicates a sun rising up or setting down.   So far you’ve listed two individual verses, and D4T and I have shown you what the Hebrew words tran…[Read more]

T8:  If you’re talking about this experiment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37y-MSBU6iY
then the answer is one that any amateur astronomer can know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_cooling
The night sky is cold.
Objects exposed to the night sky will radiate their heat into it. Objects exposed to less of the sky (such as under a tree) can…

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T8:  Really? You should stick to what you are good at Mike.

You mean deciphering the truth from the twisted maze of lies and deceptions that govern this world – like we both did with the Trinity Doctrine?  Or perhaps you mean keeping scripture as my authority, despite the deceptive signs and wonders of the god of this world, and the lies of the me…[Read more]

T8:  I noticed in your first post, you detached most of the images and later you posted a new image and that got added as an attachment to the first post.

To explain what is going on here, I beleive this is not a bug, but a feature.

It seems if you start a topic, that all files you attach later in the topic appear in that first post so people…

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Kathi:  Hi Mike,

You have not debunked where the birds fly, not if you really look at the Hebrew. The word “Firmament” evolved from Greek influence apparently, but was not the Hebrew definition.

I’ve already gone through this with you, and you didn’t respond way back then.  Why now?  Here’s what we know for sure…

1.  The Hebrew word “raqia”…

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Or better yet… Gene, SHOULD the Statue of Liberty be able to be seen from 60 miles using your math? A simple yes or no will suffice.

D4T:  Here’s a thought experiment for you all, imagine a stack of Jenga blocks stacked end to end as tall as you can stack them. Now let’s place them at the equator which is spinning at 1,000+ mph.

What would happen to a stack of Jenga blocks that are stacked to the limit and then moved slightly? Well, exactly what they were designed to do – com…

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Gene:  If actual photoes from and movie picrures from the ISS, isn’t good enough for you…

Gene, what convinced you the earth was a sphere before we had those photos and pictures from the ISS?

T8:  Well of course it doesn’t look like that planet that NASA shows us because NASA send craft close to the subject and spend millions doing so, whereas you have to contend with atmospheric moisture, distance, and heaps of zoom on a thousand dollar video camera. If you could shoot NASA quality footage of heavenly objects in our Solar System, the…

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T8:  Those models are that, models… But knowledge increased…

When exactly was the knowledge concerning the firmament versus a vast vacuum of space first increased?  And how exactly was that accomplished?