LU:  Once again Mike represents my views as one without understanding of them. I have spoken of two persons who make  up the fullness of YHVH. One person is God the Father, another person is the one Lord, Jesus the Christ, the only begotten God.

No, I fully understand your binity theory.  After all, it’s been almost a decade since you refined yo…[Read more]

Kathi, how do you know the light God spoke into existence was of His essence?

LU: Rev 3:14 …the originator of God’s creation…

You often end your posts with the condescending “I hope that helps”.  Fortunately for me, I don’t have to “hope”, because for years I’ve watched you tweak your doctrine around the scriptural information I’ve shared wi…[Read more]

gadam:  One thing we have to remember that we don’t have the original sayings of Jesus as per the NT Scholars.

What do you offer as proof of the above statement?

gadam: Hi Mike,

Please come out straight on your point when I was arguing on the statement of Jesus as quoted by the Gospel writer;

Matt 24:

34 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.

The generation Jesus was talking was the audience standing with him. I don’t think any future audience in…

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gadam: …the debate never ends on any topic on Jesus. The reason behind this is the diverse Christological concepts available in our NT writings.

You mean as opposed to the OT – where there is no debate because every scholar in history accepts the same interpretation of every scripture? 😉  List for me one of the these “diverse Christological…[Read more]

LU: Mike,

Do you think that God, the Father can bring forth a Son from His own eternal uncreated essence?

or

Do you believe that the Son can only come forth from essence that did not exist at one point and thus created essence?

When God said, “Let there be light”, was that light already a part of God’s eternal uncreated essence?  Or is the…[Read more]

gadam: Now I am standing on the neutral ground and can clearly see the problem here.

Rejecting the NT is not a “neutral” position.  It is a hard and very biased stance.

Me:  I believe the sky is green.

You: Mike, here’s a bunch of evidence that the sky is blue.

Me:  I reject your evidence out of hand, therefore the sky remains green no ma…[Read more]

LU: Mike,

Plural majesty is a possibility which could mean the singular word in a fuller sense. The fullness of God is Father, Son and Spirit.

Like I pointed out in my previous post, the plural of majesty doesn’t work that way. “Behemoth” can mean a particular, very majestic/intense/grandiose beast, or more than one beast.  It can NEVER mean m…[Read more]

Carmel:  What does the scripture above say?

ALL GOD’S THINGS, WHICH INCLUDES ALSO THE TITLE OF GOD ARE JESUS’

Now read your passage again with the discernment Paul showed here…

1 Corinthians 15:27

For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God…[Read more]

gadam: Again you made me laugh. Thanks for that. I don’t know where from you get these strange ideas. Do you think Enoch and Elijah were standing in the crowd when Jesus was uttering the above saying?

Danny Dabbs:  Gadam, You are either a deceiver or deceived!

Agreed.  He ran away from a discussion in the “Word” thread… inviting me to this thr…[Read more]

So Kathi, knowing that “creators” is just the plural of majesty like many mentions of the plural elohim, we are back to having no scriptures in the Bible that truly even mention “creators”.  We have many that mention our ONE Creator though.  Who is that One?

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Either way, knowing what we know about the Hebrew use of the plural of intensity, a plural “creators” doesn’t have mean more than one creator any more than a plural “elohim” has to mean more than one god.

Just took a peek and found these easily…

Hebrews 9:27-28

Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment… 

Since Adam, every man has been appointed to die once.  In the entire history of mankind, there were only two (we know of) whom God considered so righteous that He exempted them from tasting death: Enoch and Elijah.

But then…

Hebrews 2:9

But we do see J…[Read more]

gadam: Matt 16: 27 “For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Neither Enoch nor Elijah tasted death, so they too will not have eve…[Read more]

gadam: I have quoted number of verses from Hebrew Bible for proving that Messiah has to be a normal human being and will be the seed of David.

And I have shown you that God can, right this very minute, cause Michael the archangel to be conceived on earth through a human woman who is of the lineage of King David.  So it’s okay to say that the…[Read more]

Carmel: ATTENTION Mike please, I repeat:

Immediately WHILE STILL ON EARTH,
to all who did receive Him,

to those who believe in His name,

WHILE THEY ARE STILL ON EARTH LIVING SPIRITUALLY IN CHRIST:

LIVING AS SPIRITUAL CHILDREN IN CHRIST, and DEAD AS CARNAL CHILDREN OF THE WORLD. NOT OF THE WORLD.

I understood your point the first time, and…[Read more]

LU:  That “p” in “mpc” stands for plural.

And the “s” in the “ms” that follows stands for singular.  Same with Job.  As for “god” being in the plural form, YHVH Himself refers to Satan, Dagon, Asteroth, Baal, etc. with the plural “elohim”.  It’s called the “plural of majesty” or “plural of intensity” – and the Hebrew language uses it a lot.  For…[Read more]

gadam: Micah was talking about a ruler not any godly being as the NT writers and Christianity imagined.

God was indeed talking (through Micah) about a forthcoming ruler.  You offer no evidence that this ruler wasn’t a godly being – or that the NT writers imagined anything at all.  You offer only your own baseless claims of these things.  Nor ha…[Read more]

LU: Hi Mike,

Ecc 12:1 – Remember also thy Creators in days of thy youth, While that the evil days come not, Nor the years have arrived, that thou sayest, ‘I have no pleasure in them.’

Father, Son and Spirit, one God in the fullest sense. More than one person, together as God created the universe.

I led you right to that, didn’t I? 😉  Why do…[Read more]